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Yes, John Allen's original layout was just 4X6 layout. I have the original edition of Linn Westcott's book, Model Railroading with John Allen and I paid only $21.95 at the time. I also have the VCR of the railroad.
Greg
I have a RTR Helium car somewhere and I think it was made by AHM not sure will have to pull it out. This kit turned out nice!
Good job!
The EMC E1, E2 & E3s were just awesome with the early nose designs!
The front noses of the EA, E1A, E3A, E4A, E5A, and E6A cab units had a pronounced slant when viewed from the side. Therefore, these six models have been nicknamed "slant nose" units. Later E-unit models received the same blunted "bulldog nose" as the F-units.
As far as I know there no EAs, E1As are in existence or E2s for that matter.
There is an E3 in the North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer, NC which I have seen in person.
As for the E4s they were all scrapped.
Only one E5 unit of the original 16 built survives today. The last surviving EMD E5 diesel, CB&Q No. 9911A Silver Pilot, is owned and operated by the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois. Last used on the Fort Worth and Denver Railway (a CB&Q subsidiary) on the Texas Zephyr, the E5 is matched with one of the Burlington's Nebraska Zephyrs, a 5 car, articulated, stainless steel 1936 passenger train. This equipment was used in the production of the 1992 film A League of Their Own, and for the 2006 film Flags of Our Fathers, E5 9911A Silver Pilot was used with 4 stainless steel passenger cars relettered to resemble the Zephyr trainset.
The E6s are around.
Three E6 locomotives survive today:
Atlantic Coast Line E3A 501 was wrecked before delivery, returned to EMC and rebuilt as an E6A. It has been preserved and now resides at the North Carolina Transportation Museum/Spencer Shops. ACL 501 has been at or near operational status for much of its life. After retirement from regular service, the unit was restored to purple & silver colors and run on Midwest fan trips by owner Glenn Monhart. After Mr. Monhart's death, the unit found a home in Spencer, North Carolina, at the North Carolina Transportation Museum.
Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific Railroad E6A #630, was operated by the Midland Railway, in Baldwin City, Kansas. RI 630 has since been sold and will become part of a future museum in Manly, Iowa, along with Rock Island E8A 652. Both units have been cosmetically restored but currently are under a mechanical restoration at Mid-America Car in Kansas City, MO as of March 2017.
Louisville and Nashville E6A #770, built as L&N 450B, is located at the Kentucky Railway Museum, in New Haven, Kentucky. This unit is for display only, as it came to the museum without most its internal parts.
Then the E7s...
Ex-Pennsylvania Railroad E7A #5901 has been preserved by the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, in Strasburg, Pennsylvania. This locomotive has been cosmetically restored, and is currently on indoor display.
I think there are actually more E7s around but I can't seem to remember where I have seen them.
Finally the E8s it is estimated that 58 E8s have survived a mixed bag of As and Bs units. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_E8
Last but not least E9s....
42 E9 locomotives survive today, donated to several museums and tourist railroads.
Five E9s are owned by the Illinois Railway Museum, in Union, Illinois. A number of railroads keep a small number in service for hauling inspection specials, charter passenger trains, investor tours, and other special trains.
The Union Pacific Railroad rosters three E9s (951 and 949), and a B unit, 963B (built as UP E9B 970B) in their heritage fleet. They were rebuilt in 1993 with a single 2000hp EMD 16-645E engine and upgraded electrical and control equipment for compatibility with more modern locomotives.[7]
Southern Pacific 6051, the last surviving SP E9, is preserved at the California State Railroad Museum and operates excursions hosted by the museum.
An EA has survived, and is at the B&O museum in Baltimore
As seen trough the windshield of Western Maryland F7a #236
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Patrick
What, me worry?
Morning all,
Nice windows Troy. The last house I replaced the windows in made a big difference in both noise and air penetration.
Not much going on today. Once I figured out the disk issue, I have another. Software install doesn't recognize the disk arrays unless you have a driver, but you can't install the driver without the software being installed....sounds like a old book\movie title. LOL Fortunately that's what support contracts are for. They'll get the call next week as this is my short day Friday. Next week is shortened anyway as I only work 3-8 hour days instead of 3-9 hour days due to having 2 holiday days.
BTW: I thought I had Covid as I couldn't breathe, then I unsnapped my pants. All's good!
Nice windows Troy. The last house I replaced the windows in made a big difference in both noise and air penetration.
Not much going on today. Once I figured out the disk issue, I have another. Software install doesn't recognize the disk arrays unless you have a driver, but you can't install the driver without the software being installed....sounds like a old book\movie title. LOL Fortunately that's what support contracts are for. They'll get the call next week as this is my short day Friday. Next week is shortened anyway as I only work 3-8 hour days instead of 3-9 hour days due to having 2 holiday days.
BTW: I thought I had Covid as I couldn't breathe, then I unsnapped my pants. All's good!
troyphoto
Snarky Old Fart (in training)
Our windows were original single pane from 50 years ago. Wife wanted to update the baths right after moving in. I convinced her to spend the $$$$$$ on the windows up front. Helps keeps the baths warmer if your heat isn't whistling out a single pane window.
santafewillie
Same Ol' Buzzard
Good Morning All. Clear and 59°. Another beautiful day in store here. Mixed forecast coming up, with a cool front and possible rain around dawn Sunday. Today is our "average first frost day" for this area. Doesn't look like it's going to happen this month. Some years it happens as early as October 31 (last year), but it is rare. December 15th for the first one is somewhat common. Even happened in January one year.
OK, here's a shot of some trees in my yard.
Taking my wife to Dallas today, where she is spending the night with one of our daughters before they all head out to Padre Island for a week's vacation on the beach. I'll be returning home this afternoon with both of my granddogs, for a week of fun and frolic in the country. Molly has been here many times before and loves to stretch her legs. Bentley has been here but never spent the night. He likes to go over to my pond and get muddy. They get along well together at their respective homes so I don't anticipate any issues. I will have to educate Bentley about the dangers of a wood burning heater.
It was a bit busy yesterday on the shopping trek. Saw plenty of TP and paper towels at Kroger, Target and Dollar General, so the hoarding hasn't begun here yet. For some good reason, mask compliance is still 100% at all of the places that I regularly go to.
Sausage links and waffles for me this morning Flo. Lots of maple syrup and a big glass of OJ to go with everything.
I had a limited day in the train shed yesterday, longer than usual grocery trek and assisting my wife get ready for the road kinda got in the way. I did no project work, just ran trains and looked at stuff.
Been sorting through some pictures again, and found a grain dealer that I didn't post the other day. Plains Grains is a simple kit. It's the Williamsburg Freight Station by AM Models, that has been re-purposed.
And another speakeasy at one end of a Downtown Deco kit called Addam's Ave Part II.
I really like these Hydrocal kits from Randy.
Mike - I do understand the hassle of masks and beards. My mask will leave a crease in mine if I wear it too long. On top of that, I have to use an over the head type, as the over the ears type dislodges my hearing aids, and I certainly don't want to pay to replace one.
Troy - You are absolutely correct about the new windows. Double pane is a must for every part of the country. Compare last years energy bills with this years and you'll see a payback immediately. I know, I worked in the window industry for 43 years, and got to witness a lot of lab testing, as well as replacing mine many years ago. This Low-E glass that they now use is amazing stuff.
Everybody have a great day.
OK, here's a shot of some trees in my yard.
Taking my wife to Dallas today, where she is spending the night with one of our daughters before they all head out to Padre Island for a week's vacation on the beach. I'll be returning home this afternoon with both of my granddogs, for a week of fun and frolic in the country. Molly has been here many times before and loves to stretch her legs. Bentley has been here but never spent the night. He likes to go over to my pond and get muddy. They get along well together at their respective homes so I don't anticipate any issues. I will have to educate Bentley about the dangers of a wood burning heater.
It was a bit busy yesterday on the shopping trek. Saw plenty of TP and paper towels at Kroger, Target and Dollar General, so the hoarding hasn't begun here yet. For some good reason, mask compliance is still 100% at all of the places that I regularly go to.
Sausage links and waffles for me this morning Flo. Lots of maple syrup and a big glass of OJ to go with everything.
I had a limited day in the train shed yesterday, longer than usual grocery trek and assisting my wife get ready for the road kinda got in the way. I did no project work, just ran trains and looked at stuff.
Been sorting through some pictures again, and found a grain dealer that I didn't post the other day. Plains Grains is a simple kit. It's the Williamsburg Freight Station by AM Models, that has been re-purposed.
And another speakeasy at one end of a Downtown Deco kit called Addam's Ave Part II.
I really like these Hydrocal kits from Randy.
Mike - I do understand the hassle of masks and beards. My mask will leave a crease in mine if I wear it too long. On top of that, I have to use an over the head type, as the over the ears type dislodges my hearing aids, and I certainly don't want to pay to replace one.
Troy - You are absolutely correct about the new windows. Double pane is a must for every part of the country. Compare last years energy bills with this years and you'll see a payback immediately. I know, I worked in the window industry for 43 years, and got to witness a lot of lab testing, as well as replacing mine many years ago. This Low-E glass that they now use is amazing stuff.
Everybody have a great day.
Howdy from the SW!
46 ° heading to 76 ° - the same as yesterday. Matter of fact everything looks as if it will be the same.
FLO - I'll make it simple for you today ... and have the same as Willie just ordered.
I habes a question this morning. GP-7's (mostly phase 1 w/o dynamic brake).
Which is better for detail?
Which is better for running?
Thanks in advance.
Jerry - Awesome build on that Ambroid car!
46 ° heading to 76 ° - the same as yesterday. Matter of fact everything looks as if it will be the same.
FLO - I'll make it simple for you today ... and have the same as Willie just ordered.
I habes a question this morning. GP-7's (mostly phase 1 w/o dynamic brake).
Which is better for detail?
Which is better for running?
Thanks in advance.
Jerry - Awesome build on that Ambroid car!
CM-Fan
Well-Known Member
Great morning herein Montana - foggy and frosty at 27 degrees!
Greg - I believe John Allen's original layout started as a 4'x6' and it became the centerpiece of the larger layout. He was a wizard with photography as well as a modeler. If you have an interest in his stuff you should find the book -"Model Railroading with John Allen" by Linn Westcott.
I've gone through several copies over the years.
Willie - All those pubs are how I imagine New Orleans would be. (never been there)
Safe travels and don't overspend at the hobby shop!
Greg - I believe John Allen's original layout started as a 4'x6' and it became the centerpiece of the larger layout. He was a wizard with photography as well as a modeler. If you have an interest in his stuff you should find the book -"Model Railroading with John Allen" by Linn Westcott.
I've gone through several copies over the years.
Willie - All those pubs are how I imagine New Orleans would be. (never been there)
Safe travels and don't overspend at the hobby shop!
Greg@mnrr
Section Hand
Good Morning Everyone.....sunny here in this part of Wisconsin, but don't know if it's warm or cold outside. It doesn't make any difference to me since I'm staying inside.
Going to get tested next week for Covid anti-bodies to see if I was infected by Cathy but didn't show any signs of the virus. If I have the anti-bodies, Cathy will feel better about going out for Thanksgiving dinner. Usually,we go to Island Casino in Harris, Upper Michigan (UP) for a three day Holiday trip. It's a relatively cheap trip $160 for two nights in a very nice room, the transportation, $60 in coupons ($50 in slot credits) and other credits and other promotions, plus a buffet Thanksgiving dinner. I play just two slot games, Birds of Prey and Lobstermania, I don't over do it, but enjoy the mindless pushing of buttons to lose money.
The trip to Harris passes along the paper companies along Highway 41 near Appleton and Neenah, Wisconsin and see the sidings full of box cars, The rail traffic seems down from several years ago with the paper demand down and the mills closing. In Michigan, there's still a lot of tree harvesting and the piles along the rails are testimony of the logging activities. It's sort of a depressed area in this part of the UP since they aren't many well paying jobs that I'm aware of in the area. We used to do motorcycle trips to the UP and did one car trip for a week to visit the ore mining areas of the UP.
Ore rail traffic is down in the Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan regions. Once the roads of the MILW, SOO, C&NW, DM&IR, Burlington and the Lake Superior Ishpeming to name a few railroads were major ore haulers. I like ore hauling and I have a bunch of ore cars, over 300 ore cars, but it doesn't show on my modest sized layout. 60 of my ore cars have been weathered, Chooch ore loads added with Woodland Scenics ore on top for more realism, KD couplers, metal wheels and many with custom decals for my Chicago, Milwaukee and Northern Railroad.
Locally near by our house is the ore hauling basement sized layout of John Tews, the Timber River Railway. I never seen Tews' layout, but watched the videos many times.
www.bing.com
Nearby I visited Model Railroader's retired Editor Jim Hediger's former Ohio Southern.
Tomorrow, time to watch the Wisconsin Badger football game and on Sunday the Green Bay Packers. I can't believe that I'm watching professional football after complaining about the massive salaries these guys make and the profits the team owners rake in. Then add in the politics that the players inject before and during the games.
gseritt: As a kid we had a hobo camp just a mile from our house along the former SOO line. The camp was in the woods and always very clean, but we were cautious about walking into the camp. It had several campfire locations and was well hidden, but just a few feet from the main. The Du Plainville diamond was several miles down the line. I remember once that several hobos came to my Uncle's house looking for odd jobs, but my Uncle gave them several dollars.
That's all.....
Greg
Going to get tested next week for Covid anti-bodies to see if I was infected by Cathy but didn't show any signs of the virus. If I have the anti-bodies, Cathy will feel better about going out for Thanksgiving dinner. Usually,we go to Island Casino in Harris, Upper Michigan (UP) for a three day Holiday trip. It's a relatively cheap trip $160 for two nights in a very nice room, the transportation, $60 in coupons ($50 in slot credits) and other credits and other promotions, plus a buffet Thanksgiving dinner. I play just two slot games, Birds of Prey and Lobstermania, I don't over do it, but enjoy the mindless pushing of buttons to lose money.
The trip to Harris passes along the paper companies along Highway 41 near Appleton and Neenah, Wisconsin and see the sidings full of box cars, The rail traffic seems down from several years ago with the paper demand down and the mills closing. In Michigan, there's still a lot of tree harvesting and the piles along the rails are testimony of the logging activities. It's sort of a depressed area in this part of the UP since they aren't many well paying jobs that I'm aware of in the area. We used to do motorcycle trips to the UP and did one car trip for a week to visit the ore mining areas of the UP.
Ore rail traffic is down in the Wisconsin, Minnesota and Michigan regions. Once the roads of the MILW, SOO, C&NW, DM&IR, Burlington and the Lake Superior Ishpeming to name a few railroads were major ore haulers. I like ore hauling and I have a bunch of ore cars, over 300 ore cars, but it doesn't show on my modest sized layout. 60 of my ore cars have been weathered, Chooch ore loads added with Woodland Scenics ore on top for more realism, KD couplers, metal wheels and many with custom decals for my Chicago, Milwaukee and Northern Railroad.
Locally near by our house is the ore hauling basement sized layout of John Tews, the Timber River Railway. I never seen Tews' layout, but watched the videos many times.
john twes timebr river - Search Videos
Nearby I visited Model Railroader's retired Editor Jim Hediger's former Ohio Southern.
Tomorrow, time to watch the Wisconsin Badger football game and on Sunday the Green Bay Packers. I can't believe that I'm watching professional football after complaining about the massive salaries these guys make and the profits the team owners rake in. Then add in the politics that the players inject before and during the games.
gseritt: As a kid we had a hobo camp just a mile from our house along the former SOO line. The camp was in the woods and always very clean, but we were cautious about walking into the camp. It had several campfire locations and was well hidden, but just a few feet from the main. The Du Plainville diamond was several miles down the line. I remember once that several hobos came to my Uncle's house looking for odd jobs, but my Uncle gave them several dollars.
That's all.....
Greg
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Greg@mnrr
Section Hand
Yes, John Allen's original layout was just 4X6 layout. I have the original edition of Linn Westcott's book, Model Railroading with John Allen and I paid only $21.95 at the time. I also have the VCR of the railroad.
Greg
kbkchooch
"retired" conductor
Hiya gang!
Just got my Covd results,,,,,negative!! Hot Damn! Now I can rejoin society, with a slight hitch in my get along still. Wet kitchen floor + basement steps = bumpy ride to the bottom. Only my Butt and ego were bruised thankfully, and they will recover. Doc still doesn't know what caused my previous symptoms and pain, except maybe a touch of a flu.
Either way, its a good day! Thanks for all the well wishes this week, it helped!
Just got my Covd results,,,,,negative!! Hot Damn! Now I can rejoin society, with a slight hitch in my get along still. Wet kitchen floor + basement steps = bumpy ride to the bottom. Only my Butt and ego were bruised thankfully, and they will recover. Doc still doesn't know what caused my previous symptoms and pain, except maybe a touch of a flu.
Either way, its a good day! Thanks for all the well wishes this week, it helped!
Alcomotive
Grandson of an ALCO Builder
I have a RTR Helium car somewhere and I think it was made by AHM not sure will have to pull it out. This kit turned out nice!
Good job!
The EMC E1, E2 & E3s were just awesome with the early nose designs!
The front noses of the EA, E1A, E3A, E4A, E5A, and E6A cab units had a pronounced slant when viewed from the side. Therefore, these six models have been nicknamed "slant nose" units. Later E-unit models received the same blunted "bulldog nose" as the F-units.
As far as I know there no EAs, E1As are in existence or E2s for that matter.
There is an E3 in the North Carolina Transportation Museum in Spencer, NC which I have seen in person.
As for the E4s they were all scrapped.
Only one E5 unit of the original 16 built survives today. The last surviving EMD E5 diesel, CB&Q No. 9911A Silver Pilot, is owned and operated by the Illinois Railway Museum in Union, Illinois. Last used on the Fort Worth and Denver Railway (a CB&Q subsidiary) on the Texas Zephyr, the E5 is matched with one of the Burlington's Nebraska Zephyrs, a 5 car, articulated, stainless steel 1936 passenger train. This equipment was used in the production of the 1992 film A League of Their Own, and for the 2006 film Flags of Our Fathers, E5 9911A Silver Pilot was used with 4 stainless steel passenger cars relettered to resemble the Zephyr trainset.
The E6s are around.
Three E6 locomotives survive today:
Atlantic Coast Line E3A 501 was wrecked before delivery, returned to EMC and rebuilt as an E6A. It has been preserved and now resides at the North Carolina Transportation Museum/Spencer Shops. ACL 501 has been at or near operational status for much of its life. After retirement from regular service, the unit was restored to purple & silver colors and run on Midwest fan trips by owner Glenn Monhart. After Mr. Monhart's death, the unit found a home in Spencer, North Carolina, at the North Carolina Transportation Museum.
Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific Railroad E6A #630, was operated by the Midland Railway, in Baldwin City, Kansas. RI 630 has since been sold and will become part of a future museum in Manly, Iowa, along with Rock Island E8A 652. Both units have been cosmetically restored but currently are under a mechanical restoration at Mid-America Car in Kansas City, MO as of March 2017.
Louisville and Nashville E6A #770, built as L&N 450B, is located at the Kentucky Railway Museum, in New Haven, Kentucky. This unit is for display only, as it came to the museum without most its internal parts.
Then the E7s...
Ex-Pennsylvania Railroad E7A #5901 has been preserved by the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania, in Strasburg, Pennsylvania. This locomotive has been cosmetically restored, and is currently on indoor display.
I think there are actually more E7s around but I can't seem to remember where I have seen them.
Finally the E8s it is estimated that 58 E8s have survived a mixed bag of As and Bs units. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_E8
Last but not least E9s....
42 E9 locomotives survive today, donated to several museums and tourist railroads.
Five E9s are owned by the Illinois Railway Museum, in Union, Illinois. A number of railroads keep a small number in service for hauling inspection specials, charter passenger trains, investor tours, and other special trains.
The Union Pacific Railroad rosters three E9s (951 and 949), and a B unit, 963B (built as UP E9B 970B) in their heritage fleet. They were rebuilt in 1993 with a single 2000hp EMD 16-645E engine and upgraded electrical and control equipment for compatibility with more modern locomotives.[7]
Southern Pacific 6051, the last surviving SP E9, is preserved at the California State Railroad Museum and operates excursions hosted by the museum.
PRR Modeler
Well-Known Member
Afternoon All,
Today we pulled out the furnishings out of the dinning room and did a deep cleaning. Tomorrow I'm working on the pool deck for several hours. After lunch I installed the track for the first mine area (3 load tracks and 2 staging tracks). It includes 3 single T/O's and 1 three way T/O. I still need to solder the track and add power (8 sets of power feeds). I also need to add 2 manual T/O throws for the 3 way T/O. I did roll a Pennsy H21 hopper through every variation without issue. Sorry no photo today. Probably no layout work until Monday.
James- Nice pictures.
Gary- Interesting video.
Jerry- Great looking build. Is that a Navy helium car to fill airships?
Troy- Nice looking windows. That may be something for us to do at some point.
Willie- Nice trees and layout buildings.
Karl- Great news...not the slip and fall
.
I hope everyone has a good night.
Today we pulled out the furnishings out of the dinning room and did a deep cleaning. Tomorrow I'm working on the pool deck for several hours. After lunch I installed the track for the first mine area (3 load tracks and 2 staging tracks). It includes 3 single T/O's and 1 three way T/O. I still need to solder the track and add power (8 sets of power feeds). I also need to add 2 manual T/O throws for the 3 way T/O. I did roll a Pennsy H21 hopper through every variation without issue. Sorry no photo today. Probably no layout work until Monday.
James- Nice pictures.
Gary- Interesting video.
Jerry- Great looking build. Is that a Navy helium car to fill airships?
Troy- Nice looking windows. That may be something for us to do at some point.
Willie- Nice trees and layout buildings.
Karl- Great news...not the slip and fall
.I hope everyone has a good night.
kbkchooch
"retired" conductor
Au contraire Monsewer!
An EA has survived, and is at the B&O museum in Baltimore
As seen trough the windshield of Western Maryland F7a #236
Well Doggies! This just popped up on my U-Tube feed ... I love this!
truckdad
Well-Known Member
Who doesn’t like fiddle players!!
2Tracks
Ol' School
What? There were fiddles in the video?
2Tracks
Ol' School
Hello Saturday Morning! No hurry today...grab a cup-o-cafine, slump back in the big-easy chair.
14 on the high desert right now. Clouds clear after the storm, temps nose dive!
Karl....about the running of the FA2s...what kind of experience do you have with them? An idea how old my motor is? Do I need to re-do the gear lube?
Troy...nice windows! I have the same style, I've got a bedroom window I need to replace, how long did it take for the guys to replace it?
Sherrel...James... thanks on the car build! The one big uh oh, was that I didn't have a piece of black painted card stock glued to the inside of the tanks, light shines thru the car.....whoopsie!
Greg...good luck on the Covid test.....
James...great info on the E's. I had always wondered about the slant noses...what some of their history was.....
Curt....thanks on the car build......yes airships...here's some info from Tony Thompson
modelingthesp.blogspot.com
And this site has a lot of info....
Helium Car History | amarillorailmuseum
If the links don't show up that means I don't know what I'm doing! (I hate the CON-FUSER)>computer
Here's a couple of CB&Q Zyphers ready to go....they're do'n 80 just sitting there !
TA TA....BE CAREFUL!
14 on the high desert right now. Clouds clear after the storm, temps nose dive!
Karl....about the running of the FA2s...what kind of experience do you have with them? An idea how old my motor is? Do I need to re-do the gear lube?
Troy...nice windows! I have the same style, I've got a bedroom window I need to replace, how long did it take for the guys to replace it?
Sherrel...James... thanks on the car build! The one big uh oh, was that I didn't have a piece of black painted card stock glued to the inside of the tanks, light shines thru the car.....whoopsie!
Greg...good luck on the Covid test.....
Karl...Nice!
James...great info on the E's. I had always wondered about the slant noses...what some of their history was.....
Curt....thanks on the car build......yes airships...here's some info from Tony Thompson
Helium cars, Part 1
There have always been modelers’ jokes about helium cars, all the way from “what’s with the carload of torpedoes,” to the creaky old saw, “i...
modelingthesp.blogspot.com
Helium Car History | amarillorailmuseum
If the links don't show up that means I don't know what I'm doing! (I hate the CON-FUSER)>computer
Here's a couple of CB&Q Zyphers ready to go....they're do'n 80 just sitting there !
TA TA....BE CAREFUL!
troyphoto
Snarky Old Fart (in training)
five windows - total tear out and replace, including two on the upper story, with total trim replacement took 2 days. Sounds like about an average of 1/2 day for one window.
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