CambriaArea51
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My condolences Louis.
Running Bear's October 2022 Coffee Shop
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Don't ask how I know this...
a) no one is willing to invest in such a project without substantial government backing ($ )
B) Price to the customer of water if built would rise dramatically, to the point it would have to be subsidised by uncle Sam.
Infrastructure to get the water to wherever it was needed would also cost billions, with no guarantee that it would be actually needed when complete.
California needs water now ok, but will it need it next year?, or the year after? If there's no guarantee of being needed there's no guarantee of profit, so it's not going to be built.
there is a method to the madness. But like anything in the realm of politics, there are extremists in both ends trying to kill good ideas for their own agendas...
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troyphoto
Snarky Old Fart (in training)
Louis: I'm sorry for your loss, but glad that you and your family were there for her at the end.
As for water rights, yeah, the western states that rely on the Colorado are going to be hurting. There seem to be more "rights" to water from it, than it actually carries. And the feds are now looking to push states to reduce use. So far, only Nevada is ahead on that, since Vegas led the way in reclaiming and recycling used H2O.
My fav YouTuber, (Beau.... Just search "Beau, water rights") has some interesting short vids on what's going on out west.
Wife wants to go clothes shopping at the "big mall" here in the Fort today. Looks like a stop at Cheddar's Scratch Kitchen for lunch. I'll take an ipad, since I suspect I'll be sitting and reading most of the time she's looking.
As for water rights, yeah, the western states that rely on the Colorado are going to be hurting. There seem to be more "rights" to water from it, than it actually carries. And the feds are now looking to push states to reduce use. So far, only Nevada is ahead on that, since Vegas led the way in reclaiming and recycling used H2O.
My fav YouTuber, (Beau.... Just search "Beau, water rights") has some interesting short vids on what's going on out west.
Wife wants to go clothes shopping at the "big mall" here in the Fort today. Looks like a stop at Cheddar's Scratch Kitchen for lunch. I'll take an ipad, since I suspect I'll be sitting and reading most of the time she's looking.
Be sure to pay attention, and not looking at the iPad, when she asks you something. You don't want to be reading something, and give a distracted "mmm-hmm" when she asks, "does this dress make me look fat?"
Don't ask how I know this...
TLOC
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My best to you and the family. It’s very hard to lose Mom. I think of mine everyday and miss her greatly.
TLOC
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Like Saudi Arbia there’s plenty of water for California. For some reason this forward looking progressive State can’t figure out they have an ocean they can convert to fresh water. Desalination by the Saudis and especially the State of Isreal is the model California should follow. Why ban gasoline cars when if there is no fresh water no one can really live there? Or no reason too.
D&J RailRoad
Professor of HO
It's not a common sense reason.
Boris
Beach Bum
They have a whole ocean to tap, if they would get their heads out of the clouds.
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TLOC
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Good morning from what is now a very cloudy Wisconsin sky. The granddaughter was here at 6:30am. I was unaware I was watching her again this morning but that’s fine. The grandson’s games yesterday were both massive blowouts. His team the SIL said couldn’t get out of the way each other. The first loss was 0-8 and the second game was 1-14. Character building games the coaching staff the daughter said they called them, I think not. 1st game is at 8 and if they win they play again at 11if they lose they will be home to watch the Packers at noon. He does have a 4 pm hockey game.
Just glanced at the weather app, 42f degrees now with the wind chill at 36. 48 for the high today and I see a freeze warning for tonight.
The granddaughter wants to swim but I told her since we just ate she has to wait. That didn’t go over very well but tough grandpa doesn’t give in. She is watching a movie. We can swim together at 9. She can do a couple laps with me but tires out but then can play for hours in the pool. Her best friend, also with DS is coming over at 10 with her mom. Before starting this I texted the mom this morning inviting them and the friend will be here from 10-noon. The 2 of them together are a hoot.
So my plans are up in the air depending on the g/son’s game this morning. I did clean the train room thoroughly yesterday. The paint booth area is really clean with only one project to paint. The backdrop facade warehouse build has been primed for a week or so. Even though not in this photo
If I sat down to finish this project it might take a couple hours, but no desire at this time.
My regular workbench has a couple electronic projects on it. 2 GP40’s getting new speakers. I have a new Illuminator for my fibre optics for the north end of the Papermill. I now have 3 illuminators for the Papermill. Purchased it used from a guy I trust. He decided he didn’t think fiber optics were for him so I got a nice Lamplighter2 for less then 1/2 retail. setting up the illuminator into my electrical line is maybe 15 minutes, Its on the bench to be mounted to the board for under the layout, maybe another 15 minutes. But putting the fiber optics into the north end buildings could take forever. Here is part of the north end.
I have started experimenting though with the WS LED plug and play light hub system. Definitely will use it in the Transload and Cold storage facilities. I purchased a damaged (cracked case) system (75% off retail) from the LHS and a bunch of lights at more then my normal 20%off. Last night I purchased online a bunch of different wired LEDs and parts compatible with the WS plug and play system from WeHonest.net, a knock off place from China. Probably the same company that makes the plug and play for Woodland Scenics
Someone is hungry again, maybe she will eat this time. Toast, scrambled eggs and pork sausages.
enjoy the day
Just glanced at the weather app, 42f degrees now with the wind chill at 36. 48 for the high today and I see a freeze warning for tonight.
The granddaughter wants to swim but I told her since we just ate she has to wait. That didn’t go over very well but tough grandpa doesn’t give in. She is watching a movie. We can swim together at 9. She can do a couple laps with me but tires out but then can play for hours in the pool. Her best friend, also with DS is coming over at 10 with her mom. Before starting this I texted the mom this morning inviting them and the friend will be here from 10-noon. The 2 of them together are a hoot.
So my plans are up in the air depending on the g/son’s game this morning. I did clean the train room thoroughly yesterday. The paint booth area is really clean with only one project to paint. The backdrop facade warehouse build has been primed for a week or so. Even though not in this photo
If I sat down to finish this project it might take a couple hours, but no desire at this time.
My regular workbench has a couple electronic projects on it. 2 GP40’s getting new speakers. I have a new Illuminator for my fibre optics for the north end of the Papermill. I now have 3 illuminators for the Papermill. Purchased it used from a guy I trust. He decided he didn’t think fiber optics were for him so I got a nice Lamplighter2 for less then 1/2 retail. setting up the illuminator into my electrical line is maybe 15 minutes, Its on the bench to be mounted to the board for under the layout, maybe another 15 minutes. But putting the fiber optics into the north end buildings could take forever. Here is part of the north end.
I have started experimenting though with the WS LED plug and play light hub system. Definitely will use it in the Transload and Cold storage facilities. I purchased a damaged (cracked case) system (75% off retail) from the LHS and a bunch of lights at more then my normal 20%off. Last night I purchased online a bunch of different wired LEDs and parts compatible with the WS plug and play system from WeHonest.net, a knock off place from China. Probably the same company that makes the plug and play for Woodland Scenics
Someone is hungry again, maybe she will eat this time. Toast, scrambled eggs and pork sausages.
enjoy the day
Boris
Beach Bum
Louis: Beth and I extend our condolences on your loss.
NYC_George
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I'm going to be moving this thread to the structure's forum today. This is where I'm at in the project. I can see it's going to be a very long project. I'll be using the 4 Walthers steel bridge towers, two 70' and four 50' deck bridges that may have to be cut down to 41/2 inches to the exact measurement. I had to make a few bent mockups to make sure everything will fit in the 30" space. The 2 track main makes everything more difficult.
George
George
Boris
Beach Bum
There is no logic in the mindset of the Progressive, just dogma. Desalination must be perceived as harmful to aquatic life, because the obvious solution seems to be off the table.
Smudge617
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Ok,gonna shove my £1 in here.
a) no one is willing to invest in such a project without substantial government backing ($ )
B) Price to the customer of water if built would rise dramatically, to the point it would have to be subsidised by uncle Sam.
Infrastructure to get the water to wherever it was needed would also cost billions, with no guarantee that it would be actually needed when complete.
California needs water now ok, but will it need it next year?, or the year after? If there's no guarantee of being needed there's no guarantee of profit, so it's not going to be built.
It's a logistics question and pretty complicated. There have been pilot experiments with desal in California. First, it's very expensive. It involves membrane technology which isn't cheap. When you're Saudi Arabia and sitting on billions of petro dollars it's easier to pay for. Same for a heavily US subsidized country like Israel. Then you have to look at arable land, and where the people are. Getting the salt out of the water is just part of the problem. You then have to get the water from the oceanside desal plants to where it needs to go. That's more billions in pumps and pipelines. I think California will eventually be forced to do more desal, but it ain't a silver bullet. It also ain't a California problem, it's a worldwide problem. Arizona has it too, along with the rest of the southwest. We've always taken water for granted here. Most folks don't even think about it. It's just always there. Those days are just about over.
troyphoto
Snarky Old Fart (in training)
Newport Beach area just pushed through a desal plant plan, and the state killed it. For several reasons, but the primary being that NB wanted to build it in an area that is likey to flood soon due to rising ocean levels.
there is a method to the madness. But like anything in the realm of politics, there are extremists in both ends trying to kill good ideas for their own agendas...
Smudge617
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Ok, starting on the Walthers Machine shop today, but I have a quick question before I cock this build up, is it better/easier to paint the structure first, or after it's been built.
As I usually build wood kits I'll prime first, then build, (minus glazing) then final paint/varnish and glazing is last.
As I've never done such a large plastic kit build before, thought I'd better ask.
As I usually build wood kits I'll prime first, then build, (minus glazing) then final paint/varnish and glazing is last.
As I've never done such a large plastic kit build before, thought I'd better ask.
troyphoto
Snarky Old Fart (in training)
I'm watching Australia's desal process. They're the driest habital continent around, and in the beginning of the 21st Century had to deal with the problem:
en.wikipedia.org
the interesting bits:
Per the earlier comments on Green Energy utilizing water-batteries, that may be the future for Desal plants. Not quite sure how it would work, but the Orange County cons would have to trade their ocean view of oil derricks for wind farms to run their desal plants. And the Progs would need to give up some of their "don't touch this land" for reservoirs to utilize water batteries.
LA already utilizes a rainwater capture system to fill underground cisterns... but their rain isn't coming as often. They may need to convert that into a de-sal storage and bottom of a water battery.
Seawater desalination in Australia - Wikipedia
the interesting bits:
and
In Australia many desalination plants are utilizing wind farms to produce enough energy to operate nearby desalination plants. For example, the Kurnell Desalination Plant, with a capacity of producing 250 million liters (ML) of drinking water per day, supplies 15% of Sydney’s water needs via RO technology and is powered using "100 percent renewable energy" from the 140 MW Capital Wind Farm.[5][6] The Garden Island plant, currently planned for commissioning in 2014, will be powered by wave energy, using Carnegie Wave Energy's CETO system. This system uses submerged buoys to pressurize water offshore, which is piped onshore to either drive turbines for electricity generation or as in this case, to directly desalinate seawater. The Garden Island project is a commercial scale demonstration project, which follows a pilot project off the coast of Fremantle, Western Australia[7]
Construction of Adelaide Desalination Plant
The availability of renewable resources as well as their fluctuation in electricity production from region to region requires a customized design for each desalination facility. In order to maintain steady-state operations many facilities utilize renewable energy while connected to a smart grid, importing or exporting energy to the plant as required. The Perth Seawater Desalination Plant utilizes this strategy where 48 wind turbines produce 80MW on the Emu Downs Wind Farm to provide an overall 24MW to the desalination plant.[8] Electrical energy from the renewable energy can also be stored in storage batteries and utilized when needed. As seen in the PV-powered RO system in Gillen Bore, Australia; producing 1,200 L/d.[9] Or if the plant is not required full-time, it can operate using the power as it becomes available. In 2005 a PV-powered hybrid UF/RO filtration system providing 764 liters per day tolerated well power variation from changing weather conditions.[10]
Per the earlier comments on Green Energy utilizing water-batteries, that may be the future for Desal plants. Not quite sure how it would work, but the Orange County cons would have to trade their ocean view of oil derricks for wind farms to run their desal plants. And the Progs would need to give up some of their "don't touch this land" for reservoirs to utilize water batteries.
LA already utilizes a rainwater capture system to fill underground cisterns... but their rain isn't coming as often. They may need to convert that into a de-sal storage and bottom of a water battery.
Patrick
What, me worry?
Morning all,
Louis: Condolences to you and your family.
Smudge: On the plastic kits I find them easier to paint the structure pieces first, and then do any touchups needed afterward. Just be careful not to paint the glue areas.
Chilly morning in Doo-Dah, 49° and only supposed to get to about 70°. Expecting first frost either tonight or tomorrow night. May actually stay just above freezing tonight. Going to head to the trains in a bit as it's too chilly this morning to do anything outside. Highs mid-week of 55-60 and then back to 80 by the weekend.
BBL
Louis: Condolences to you and your family.
Smudge: On the plastic kits I find them easier to paint the structure pieces first, and then do any touchups needed afterward. Just be careful not to paint the glue areas.
Chilly morning in Doo-Dah, 49° and only supposed to get to about 70°. Expecting first frost either tonight or tomorrow night. May actually stay just above freezing tonight. Going to head to the trains in a bit as it's too chilly this morning to do anything outside. Highs mid-week of 55-60 and then back to 80 by the weekend.
BBL
BigGRacing
Aka. Gary Russell
I am wondering, if the glaciers are melting and desalinating the oceans; wouldn’t us putting salt back in by them using the Ocean water be a plus? Not a climate activist, but wondering if anyone here might be familiar with this field ? I have always believed though that over populating the planet is the biggest issue.
Well....it's not quite that simple. It's much more about cost than anything else. There are also toxic byproducts from desal plants that have to be dealt with. Pretty good read on the subject here. https://www.unep.org/news-and-stori...ocess of,and marine ecosystems unless treated.
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