While poking around the LHS I came across a Walthers HO scenic item called Prime Mover. Obviously a diesel. I'm wondering if it is supposed to be a specific type like an EMD or Alco or GE or is it just a generic looking item. I thought it might be a good addition to the engine shops sitting beside an old dead loco with its hood or carbody panels removed. Any input will be appreciated.
Prime Mover
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Now that the pic was posted by Jtudor and you have mentioned it the green does ring a bell. The 53 series and 71 series GM Detroit Diesels color was Alpine Green. Not much of an imagination stretch to think some bean counter at the parent company, GM, decided all 2 stroke diesels ought to be green no matter how small or big they were unless a road ordered them otherwise.
So just to wind up the rivet counters I might paint it up Hemi Orange with chrome rocker boxes and hand hole covers.
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mike8693
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was it this? http://www.internettrains.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IT&Product_Code=933-3119 If it is they look pretty decent. I have a couple floating around somewhere but who knows where 
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jbaakko
Diesel Detail Freak
It's an EMD roots blown 567-16, which represents a 567, 567A, 567B, 567C, 567BC, and 567D1.
They can be found in the following:
- 567A: E7, late FT (plus service replacements), various switchers
- 567B: E8, F2, F3, F7, FP7, BL2, GP7, SD7, various switchers
- 567C: E9, F9, FP9, early FL9, GP9, SD9, various switchers
- 567D roots: GP18, GP28, SD18, SD28, RS1325, late FL9
http://utahrails.net/loconotes/pcook-emd-567.php
They can be found in the following:
- 567A: E7, late FT (plus service replacements), various switchers
- 567B: E8, F2, F3, F7, FP7, BL2, GP7, SD7, various switchers
- 567C: E9, F9, FP9, early FL9, GP9, SD9, various switchers
- 567D roots: GP18, GP28, SD18, SD28, RS1325, late FL9
http://utahrails.net/loconotes/pcook-emd-567.php
Mike - yes that is it.
JBA- thanks for the detailed info.
I have some non runnable GP's and F units that can be used for the scene I have in mind. I also have a TID / KMT brass RS1325 but there is no way I'm hacking that up for a scenery item. Plus I repowered and regeared it many moons ago and it runs pretty decent.
JBA- thanks for the detailed info.
I have some non runnable GP's and F units that can be used for the scene I have in mind. I also have a TID / KMT brass RS1325 but there is no way I'm hacking that up for a scenery item. Plus I repowered and regeared it many moons ago and it runs pretty decent.
Thanks for the pic Rico. That is about what I had in mind. Might even do 2 of them. One all greasy and about to be pulled from the loco frame and a fresh painted replacement on a flat car next to it.
So now another question for you guys. What was the usual color of a 567? I kind of recall them being a light grey or maybe white. I also recall I used to be much younger and a lot better looking too.
So now another question for you guys. What was the usual color of a 567? I kind of recall them being a light grey or maybe white. I also recall I used to be much younger and a lot better looking too.
jtudor
Member
I don't know if this is a 567 or not, but this is a photo of a prime mover that is on display at the NC Transportation Museum.
I apologize for the size of the photo, I didn't take it, I just copied it from the museum website. When I go there on Rail Days this year, I will get a larger photo of this to post. Rail days is there in June this year.
I apologize for the size of the photo, I didn't take it, I just copied it from the museum website. When I go there on Rail Days this year, I will get a larger photo of this to post. Rail days is there in June this year.
jeffrey-wimberly
Dr Frankendiesel
The 567 was also used in the SD24 and SDP28. The 567D3 was turbocharged.
Now that the pic was posted by Jtudor and you have mentioned it the green does ring a bell. The 53 series and 71 series GM Detroit Diesels color was Alpine Green. Not much of an imagination stretch to think some bean counter at the parent company, GM, decided all 2 stroke diesels ought to be green no matter how small or big they were unless a road ordered them otherwise.
So just to wind up the rivet counters I might paint it up Hemi Orange with chrome rocker boxes and hand hole covers.
jbaakko
Diesel Detail Freak
Sure was, but it was the 567D3 mentioned, which was turbo charged, which this Walthers model is not... Kit bash time...
Josh, since you're such a young whippersnapper, I'm sure the only 567's you've seen have been rebuilds. I imagine that they were probably painted with whatever was the cheapest paint on hand. I had the chance to see the engine room of a UP F-7 and the engine compartments of a GP-7 and GP-9. All the prime movers were that green color. Now that I think of it, I think the whole interior of the shell was painted the same green. It was a really bad looking color when it got greasy and oily. There was no such thing as remanufactured parts back then (mid 60's) so any parts came from EMD. I can remember spare prime movers in the East L.A. Roundhouse that were still crated up and even the crate was that same green color. I think EMD really liked that color. 
I imagine that they were probably painted with whatever was the cheapest paint on hand. I had the chance to see the engine room of a UP F-7 and the engine compartments of a GP-7 and GP-9. All the prime movers were that green color. Now that I think of it, I think the whole interior of the shell was painted the same green. It was a really bad looking color when it got greasy and oily. There was no such thing as remanufactured parts back then (mid 60's) so any parts came from EMD. I can remember spare prime movers in the East L.A. Roundhouse that were still crated up and even the crate was that same green color. I think EMD really liked that color. The_IcOnOcLaSt
Ready for Tomorrow Night
If my memory serves me correctly, the EMD E-units all used 12-cylinder versions of the 567, not 16-cylinder. And the E3, E4, and E5 also used 567s. The predecessor EA, E1, and E2 models used Winton 201-series prime movers.
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The Walthers model depicts a 567 A or B the 567C block has round oil box and air box covers.
As for the green color, I have heard it called "sea foam green" I think cab interiors where painted that same color. The beige(sp?) color was a rebuild color.
Lots of good info on this site.
http://www.trainweb.org/sp5623/index.htm
As for the green color, I have heard it called "sea foam green" I think cab interiors where painted that same color. The beige(sp?) color was a rebuild color.
Lots of good info on this site.
http://www.trainweb.org/sp5623/index.htm
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Looks like it came from an ex C&O GP-7, most likely 5820, later renumbered 702 for its last days of service on the Aberdeen, Carolina & Western. That color green is the one I remember on on all the 567 engines I saw on the UP during the 1960's so I assume it's smoe sort of "official" EMD color.
Jim, more likely than not the "official" color was probably the exact same Alpine green used on the 53 series and 71 series GM Detroit Diesels. Although a photo cannot always give an exact duplication of color it looks to be Alpine green to my eye. The model I recently built I painted with DD factory touch up Alpine green. It came out fine but as with most scale models it really could have been lightened about 20% with some white to look more correct under typical indoor room lighting.
JT thanks for the pics.
JT thanks for the pics.
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