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I think the rear truck was a Flexicoil such as you would find under an E unit. A1A configuration. The engine was a B-A1A.
Look closely;
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Both trucks from freight units. Even the front is not Blumberg like on normal F3-9. General Electric tried the same cheap approach on their six axle passenger diesels and E60 electrics, with sometimes disastrous results. Why didn't GM just upgrade beautifull E series and keep making them for Amtrak is beyond me. The E series had totally different truck design.
 
After going for Pizza, I spent most of the day painting little toy soldiers... and some dwarven angry badgers.... The dwarves to ride them into battle haven't been primed yet, but here are angry badgers...

You know what they say.... Angry Badger.... He don't care!
Orcs coming to battle? Angry Badger.... He don't care!
Going to fight a dragon? Angry Badger.... He don't care!
Undead zombies and wraiths? Angry Badger.... He don't care!

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Both trucks from freight units. Even the front is not Blumberg like on normal F3-9. General Electric tried the same cheap approach on their six axle passenger diesels and E60 electrics, with sometimes disastrous results. Why didn't GM just upgrade beautifull E series and keep making them for Amtrak is beyond me. The E series had totally different truck design.
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EMD's answer was a new locomotive based on their existing FP9, but lengthened to accommodate additional equipment, such as a larger train heating steam boiler and third rail contact shoes. Due to the additional weight, the locomotive was equipped with a three-axle rear truck, giving it an uncommon B-A1A wheel arrangement. Flexicoil trucks were used due to this type of truck having more room for fitting the third rail shoes.
 


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EMD's answer was a new locomotive based on their existing FP9, but lengthened to accommodate additional equipment, such as a larger train heating steam boiler and third rail contact shoes. Due to the additional weight, the locomotive was equipped with a three-axle rear truck, giving it an uncommon B-A1A wheel arrangement. Flexicoil trucks were used due to this type of truck having more room for fitting the third rail shoes.
Yep. Flexicoils are for freight though. So they did that at the expense of riding quality at high speeds.
 
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Both trucks from freight units. Even the front is not Blumberg like on normal F3-9. General Electric tried the same cheap approach on their six axle passenger diesels and E60 electrics, with sometimes disastrous results. Why didn't GM just upgrade beautifull E series and keep making them for Amtrak is beyond me. The E series had totally different truck design.
Here's a better photo of the trucks. You guys know more than I do. I know the NH ordered 60 of the units which bankrupted the railroad. They were the go-to units for the Harlem Line. E8's were only used for the Chatham NY passenger service when I was there.
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Here's a better photo of the trucks. You guys know more than I do. I know the NH ordered 60 of the units which bankrupted the railroad. They were the go-to units for the Harlem Line. E8's were only used for the Chatham NY passenger service when I was there.
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I only know it from modelers point of view;) Just like from @Boris would love to hear more stories from someone who lived it in real life.
 
Wasn't the rear truck from freight SD series?that would probably explain it.
Kriegslok: Don't think so, it was probably more like the truck found on EMD passenger E units. A-1-A. The loco relied on four motors for power, the Idler on the rear was there for weight distribution, from what I understand. The back end was quite heavy with the electrical equipment, steam generator, prime mover and compressor, cooling system et all. The ride issues George recalls were most likely due to the unbalance between front (B-B truck), and rear (A-1-A truck). SD trucks had three motors (C-C truck).
Flexi-coil trucks did have issues at slow speed, rocking from side to side especially on stick rail. ex NH SW 1200s and ex PRR SD-35s exhibited that problem, as did E-44s and E-60s under certain conditions.
 


Kriegslok: Don't think so, it was probably more like the truck found on EMD passenger E units. A-1-A. The loco relied on four motors for power, the Idler on the rear was there for weight distribution, from what I understand. The back end was quite heavy with the electrical equipment, steam generator, prime mover and compressor, cooling system et all. The ride issues George recalls were most likely due to the unbalance between front (B-B truck), and rear (A-1-A truck). SD trucks had three motors (C-C truck).
Flexi-coil trucks did have issues at slow speed, rocking from side to side especially on stick rail. ex NH SW 1200s and ex PRR SD-35s exhibited that problem, as did E-44s and E-60s under certain conditions.
@bnsf971 confirmed what i thought. The flexicoils on FL9 were SD trucks, they just didn't have middle motor on axle.
E44s had abnormally high center of gravity and were heavy, so they tended to rock on rough track, they also did not have the same trucks as E60. E44s had trucks same as on E33s Adirondack Foundries similar to what ALCo had on them; offset middle axle with heavy equalizers.
 
The ride issues George recalls were most likely due to the unbalance between front (B-B truck), and rear (A-1-A truck). SD trucks had three motors (C-C truck).
I didn't think about that Boris. The steam generator water tank was at the rear of the engine. It was a huge tank, full of water what did that weigh. I only remember 4 switches to cut out traction motors. So I guess only 4 wheels had traction motors powering them. We were always cutting traction motors out. As I posted once before back when I was a fireman the engineer told me to go back and see if any traction motors are cut out. The metal switches have arrows on them. When the arrows are facing each other the motor's cut in. One of the switches had grease on it. I couldn't see the arrows. I used my finger to wipe off the grease. That sent my body back to the bulkhead. I had rubber sole shoes on that day. They said that's what saved me from being electrocuted.
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@bnsf971 confirmed what i thought. The flexicoils on FL9 were SD trucks, they just didn't have middle motor on axle.
E44s had abnormally high center of gravity and were heavy, so they tended to rock on rough track, they also did not have the same trucks as E60. E44s had trucks same as on E33s Adirondack Foundries similar to what ALCo had on them; offset middle axle with heavy equalizers.
All SD units didn't have Flexicoils. A-1-A trucks have a different balance from C-C trucks, and E-44s were Heavy, with high gravity and balance issues especially running long hood lead. E-33s were geared differently, and had a lower center of gravity. There was more to ride quality. E-60s, for instance were very top heavy and overloaded. Trucks had a lot of Lateral Motion. Spent 3 days cleaning up at Elkton, Md, after one spread the rail underneath. Keep that in mind.
 
I didn't think about that Boris. The steam generator water tank was at the rear of the engine. It was a huge tank, full of water what did that weigh. I only remember 4 switches to cut out traction motors. So I guess only 4 wheels had traction motors powering them. We were always cutting traction motors out. As I posted once before back when I was a fireman the engineer told me to go back and see if any traction motors are cut out. The metal switches have arrows on them. When the arrows are facing each other the motor's cut in. One of the switches had grease on it. I couldn't see the arrows. I used my finger to wipe off the grease. That sent my body back to the bulkhead. I had rubber sole shoes on that day. They said that's what saved me from being electrocuted.
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Those were the days. Recently heard from an Engineer Friend. We shared an experience of a lifetime on Memorial Day, I believe 1973 (or 1974). Norm had a special, 3 loads of steel out of Fairless,(Morrisville), due to make a Ship, the next day at Baltimore. Easy day, right? 2 GG1s, 3 gondolas, loaded with steel, cabin car. What could go wrong? As the train cleared Ragan Interlocking, Newport Del, about 5 miles south of Wilmington, the hind end reported smoke. They stopped the train on #4 Main. Two of three gonds ran hot boxes... They were ordered to set them out on Sears Siding, off #4 at Newport. Nothing to it, cut away from the cabin, pull up set all three where the Block truck can get to them, cut off, recouple to cabin and run Cab Lite to Baltimore. Opps, forgot the rear motor had the rear pantograph up...oh 💩, we are toast. Power is off, grounders are in lead pan, under wire, we have to get the other pan down, and wire it, to move engine back to Wilmington. While in the process, look at the arc...some silly ass restored electric power to #4....we are dead! Me and Norm are holding the damn pantograph in our hands watching 11000 volts run from the wire down the pantograph, into the ground via the drive wheels and tires. It welded the tire to the rail. We are not dead, I'm going to be sick 🤢. The two of us, both well over 200 flew down through the hatch, to the cab, and off the damn GG1to the ground. Thanking God, we were still there, when the idiot train dispatcher through the Operator at Wilmington Tower, asked what was taking us so long...🤬🤬. I ran to the car, got on the radio and exploded on the poor operator, a fellow named Jake Blizzard. Turns out, the Delaware Park Race train, 5 Budd MUs, was stranded in the track. They sent the engine change crew with an RS3, to pull them out on #4 and South to Davis, (Newark, DE), wherethe train would be routed to another track, powered up and be permitted to run North. They prematurely raised the five pantographs on the MU, while still in the dead section, and bridged the cut., sending power back in to #4. If I hadn't set the ground switch on the lead loco, at the lead pantograph, I wouldn't be writing this today.

There of course, is more detail to the story, that was the quick and dirty condensed version. I was the Road Foreman of Engines, I was called away from a cookout at home, and drove to the scene. Some key people never showed, and should have been fired, but weren't. If that idiot, arrogant, Train Dispatcher was closer than the station in Baltimore, I would have kicked his ass. I was very happy, to be alive, as was Norm...His crew watched the electricity ark from the GG1 wheels to the rail, and thought we were smoked. Never went to the roof of a motor again, and avoided motors as much as possible, even after I went to Amtrak.
 
Good morning, Everybody!

I turn on the TV as I always do. Alfred Hitchcock Hour is on. Bruce Dern is the guest star. He was the one who killed John Wayne. I still don't like that guy because of that! :mad:

After turning on the TV I go to the coffee shop. So many great posts, thanks Everybody! I feel better now. :)

Next was MLB online. :D

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That is how you end a hitting slump! Makes me think of what else Chuck Thompson would say "they should have saved some of those runs for the next game"
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Now on to my Microsoft Rewards and then to work.
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Have a great day Everybody!
 
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Those were the days. Recently heard from an Engineer Friend. We shared an experience of a lifetime on Memorial Day, I believe 1973 (or 1974). Norm had a special, 3 loads of steel out of Fairless,(Morrisville), due to make a Ship, the next day at Baltimore. Easy day, right? 2 GG1s, 3 gondolas, loaded with steel, cabin car. What could go wrong? As the train cleared Ragan Interlocking, Newport Del, about 5 miles south of Wilmington, the hind end reported smoke. They stopped the train on #4 Main. Two of three gonds ran hot boxes... They were ordered to set them out on Sears Siding, off #4 at Newport. Nothing to it, cut away from the cabin, pull up set all three where the Block truck can get to them, cut off, recouple to cabin and run Cab Lite to Baltimore. Opps, forgot the rear motor had the rear pantograph up...oh 💩, we are toast. Power is off, grounders are in lead pan, under wire, we have to get the other pan down, and wire it, to move engine back to Wilmington. While in the process, look at the arc...some silly ass restored electric power to #4....we are dead! Me and Norm are holding the damn pantograph in our hands watching 11000 volts run from the wire down the pantograph, into the ground via the drive wheels and tires. It welded the tire to the rail. We are not dead, I'm going to be sick 🤢. The two of us, both well over 200 flew down through the hatch, to the cab, and off the damn GG1to the ground. Thanking God, we were still there, when the idiot train dispatcher through the Operator at Wilmington Tower, asked what was taking us so long...🤬🤬. I ran to the car, got on the radio and exploded on the poor operator, a fellow named Jake Blizzard. Turns out, the Delaware Park Race train, 5 Budd MUs, was stranded in the track. They sent the engine change crew with an RS3, to pull them out on #4 and South to Davis, (Newark, DE), wherethe train would be routed to another track, powered up and be permitted to run North. They prematurely raised the five pantographs on the MU, while still in the dead section, and bridged the cut., sending power back in to #4. If I hadn't set the ground switch on the lead loco, at the lead pantograph, I wouldn't be writing this today.

There of course, is more detail to the story, that was the quick and dirty condensed version. I was the Road Foreman of Engines, I was called away from a cookout at home, and drove to the scene. Some key people never showed, and should have been fired, but weren't. If that idiot, arrogant, Train Dispatcher was closer than the station in Baltimore, I would have kicked his ass. I was very happy, to be alive, as was Norm...His crew watched the electricity ark from the GG1 wheels to the rail, and thought we were smoked. Never went to the roof of a motor again, and avoided motors as much as possible, even after I went to Amtrak.
Didn't the GG1s suppose to have this working interlocking mechanism, that lowered pantographs whenever roof hatch was opened?
 
Good morning from crispy cool So. Central WIsconsin. It was 54f degrees at 6 when I crawling out of the bed. 75 minutes later it is 58 going up to low 70’s. It is a beautiful clear start to the morning without a cloud in the sky. The granddaughter is awake and dancing to the You Tube, specifically to Black Pink. The donut run is at 8AM if you want to place your order.

Yesterday, between 10 and midnight I got sometime at the bench. The pool water was actually very nice yesterday and I got my 1st laps in and the granddaughter floated for a couple hours. Then the neighborhood girls started stopping by to play in the pool with the g/d. For using the pool for only the 2nd time there were no issues. Tomorrow we will have the 1st official invite pool party. Today though I will use my outdoor kitchen setup for the 1st time as practice for Saturday. Today’s menu is grilled shrimp and chicken strips and French fries at 1 for lunch. Dinner is homemade 6” individual pizzas. The g/d and I made the pizza dough last night. With the pool now useable the Summer has started for us, finally.
 


Well, howdy there internet peeps and those still not electrocuted,

It's Troy again... another year older and deeper in trouble with the wife. 😜

Today is the anniversary of my first trip around our sun. I'm not 60 yet, but I only have 365 more days to say that (leap year next year).

Tonight will probably be steak at Outback. I might change my mind, but that sounds the best out of what we've got.

Yesterday, on our outing to the soon-to-close pizza place, we discovered and Irish pub in downtown Fort Wayne. That's now on our need to try list, but with the Three Rivers festival just beginning, it'll wait a few weeks. Downtown will be congested all week long.

The project for today is to cut holes in the new garage walls and install a couple of crawlspace vents up high. I got the auto close ones, then proceeded to slip while drilling a mounting hole, and knocked the expand/contract spring off it's base. Ooops. We don't store freeze sensitive stuff in the garage over the winter, so I'm leaving it as is...

Here are a few pics from our 2007 cruise on NCL's Dream (scrapped in 2022). This was a ship that was "stretched" like a limo. Once NCL acquired her, they drydocked her, cut her in half, and added 40meters to her midsection. That was an awkward layout. Going fore and aft on the main public deck required a walk through the main dining room.

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This ship lacked the covered aft patio ("The Great Outdoors" as it's called on the Jewel Class ships). I had very few places I enjoyed sitting on deck. The ship was built for "sun worshipping" and I'm a "shady guy."

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Somewhere in Mexico... we were visiting "The Temple of the Dolls" and this was on the grounds of the park around the ruins

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Coral Princess, NCL Pearl in her maiden year, and Costa Magica in one of the Caribbean parking lots.
 
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