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GarryCBQ said:
MR113 .... Nice photo of B&O 7113

Here is GN brute.

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Nice pic Garry...
Always wondered what inspired the 2-6-8-0 wheel arrangement... :confused:
 
PC would have done better in my opinion if the Staggers Act (deregulation) was enacted before the PC merger.
 


Morning All,

I have a pretty lazy day planned. In a bit I am going to do some measuring on the layout, maybe run some trains then the extended family is going out to supper. Tomorrow we are building the other set of shelves for the garage. This coming Friday I am going to Gainesville with a couple of friends to watch NHRA qualifying and Fri night to see a UF vs Tennessee ball game. I will stay overnight then drive home Saturday.

Yesterday my grandson earned his yellow belt in karate. Before everything started the kids had to run a mile and do push ups and sit ups. I was surprised to see Quintin finish first in the run and exercise's. The short video is of him breaking a board.

MILW113- Maybe the 2-6-8-0 was a experiment.

Terry- I am truly sorry to hear about the family issues but I agree with Ken that you can always do a memorial service.

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I hope everyone has a good day.
 
GarryCBQ said:
PC would have done better in my opinion if the Staggers Act (deregulation) was enacted before the PC merger.
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I agree Garry, regulation most certainly played a part in the demise of Penn Central. Being forced to operate many passenger trains at a loss was misguided at best.
 
Morning everyone. 34 degrees and sunny.

I really enjoyed the Penn Central Video. It touched on so many subjects that were bad for a company. Sort of reminds me of the way the Milwaukee Road was headed. They did have a lot of newer locomotives than what was described with the Pen Central, but the biggest problem I think was the track. Near the end of operation transit time was slowed by bad track. The Milwaukee Road was sort of like the Titanic. With transit times increased due to track, shippers had the Great Northern and Northern Pacific at their disposal. They ceased electrical operation right when the price of fuel spiked with the oil embargo in the 70's. The snowball was rolling. This, along with a lot of bad decisions by management spelled doom for the railroad. I had a lot of relatives working for the Milwaukee Road and they could see the hand writing on the wall.

Great video. Thanks for posting.
 
Terry,
I am sorry to hear of the troubles with your nephew. One thing for sure is that people like that will always get what's coming to them. I will be thinking of you.
 
The deregulation with the Staggers Act allowed railroads to totally revise how they priced freight traffic. Railroads became contract carriers instead of common carriers. Railroads became more like wholesalers than like retailers. Boxcars were mostly replaced with intermodal equipment. Smaller railroads merged into big railroads. Unprofitable lines were abandoned or sold to short line operators or regional railroads. I was with the GTW in the 1970's and the 1980s. The Staggers act of 1980 made a big difference.

Speaking of Milwaukee Road's demise, I recall when the railroad was downsized to its "core system" by the bankruptcy judge. The core system included lines between Chicago, St. Paul, and Kansas City. GTW entered into a purchase agreement to buy the MILW core lines. C&NW objected, and took GTW/CN to court to re-open negotiations. CN&W submitted a bid and so did Soo Line. Eventually Soo bought MILW. GTW/CN entered into a coordinated service agreement with Burlington Northern. Union Pacific bought CNW... Then Soo Line sold its former lines in Wisconsin and Michigan to a company which became Wisconsin Central.... Even later, CN bough Wisconsin Central. ...... Did you follow all of that?

Anyhow, I remember meeting with MILW management as we (GTW) put together a proposed business plan for GTW/MILW. As I said, there never was a GTW/MILW merger as was planned.
 


GarryCBQ said:
The deregulation with the Staggers Act allowed railroads to totally revise how they priced freight traffic. Railroads became contract carriers instead of common carriers. Railroads became more like wholesalers than like retailers. Boxcars were mostly replaced with intermodal equipment. Smaller railroads merged into big railroads. Unprofitable lines were abandoned or sold to short line operators or regional railroads. I was with the GTW in the 1970's and the 1980s. The Staggers act of 1980 made a big difference.

Speaking of Milwaukee Road's demise, I recall when the railroad was downsized to its "core system" by the bankruptcy judge. The core system included lines between Chicago, St. Paul, and Kansas City. GTW entered into a purchase agreement to buy the MILW core lines. C&NW objected, and took GTW/CN to court to re-open negotiations. CN&W submitted a bid and so did Soo Line. Eventually Soo bought MILW. GTW/CN entered into a coordinated service agreement with Burlington Northern. Union Pacific bought CNW... Then Soo Line sold its former lines in Wisconsin and Michigan to a company which became Wisconsin Central.... Even later, CN bough Wisconsin Central. ...... Did you follow all of that?

Anyhow, I remember meeting with MILW management as we (GTW) put together a proposed business plan for GTW/MILW. As I said, there never was a GTW/MILW merger as was planned.
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I am with you! I may have to study it a few times to remember all that but I enjoyed reading it, thank you!
 
Always been curious as to why Milwaukee Road disappeared, with a lot of what ifs etc., the same goes for the PC, being a fan of NYNH&H, LV, RDG....always eager to learn more...
Wasn't it a hurricane or something, that was the final nail in the EL coffin, back in.....'75?
 
Whoooops! Ma bad..! Few years of there! Must be a reason why they have female names, them there hurricanes! lol
Thanks Louis!
Can't help but wonder, for how long the Milwaukee and North Western merger would have lasted, would it had been a successful one...
 
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December 31: The ICC raises the minimum operating revenue from $5 million to $10 million effective January 1, 1976, dropping nine railroads to Class II:

(Had to split the post into three, as it was too big, sorry!)
 
MIL 113- You seem to have forgotten "ANDREW" . HE was a mean so and so.
Tore up my home along with hundreds of others. Even put a hole in one of the windows of The Magellan. Tore up the GOLD COAST RR MUSEUM along with the Miami Zoo.

Phil.
 


Flip said:
MIL 113- You seem to have forgotten "ANDREW" . HE was a mean so and so.
Tore up my home along with hundreds of others. Even put a hole in one of the windows of The Magellan. Tore up the GOLD COAST RR MUSEUM along with the Miami Zoo.

Phil.
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There was also "Charlie", which went over my living room, and started a parade of major hurricanes to attack Florida.
Good evening. It's clear and 59.
The karma gods have been busy today. My nephew called to tell me he had buried the U Haul truck, and had to pay a wrecker $$$ to winch it out. Also, my brother's landlady is going to be paying me personally for some improvements my brother and I made on the place while he lived there. It isn't much, but it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.
My cousins and I are going to have a rememberence "party" in my brother's honor, as soon as the weather in Pennsylvania warms up and the snow melts.
I'm hoping to be able to do something model railroad related soon, there is dust gathering on my trains...
 
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