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Future

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My wife got me into collecting about 7 years ago when she just started winning ebay auction after auction, etc... Lately I started up the collection again, and probably have enough to do 15+ layouts or so, however it's all packed up so I've no idea what I actually have.

Anyway, I figure since there is no reason, I'll just continue the collection. I just need to delve deeper to figure out all this stuff I don't know about like Why is DCC equipped more expensive than non equipped? Why is one manufacturer more sought after than another? etc...

I'll be browsing through here for a while, so you can all probably expect to see some rather "stupid" questions:D
 
DCC Equipped is more $ because they have decoders already installed...

The manufactures differ in many ways, mostly in amount of detail and performance. Even within manufacturers there are many different levels of quality and performance. Eg: Athearn RTR vs Athearn Genesis, Bachmann Standard Line vs Spectrum, Proto 1000 vs Proto 2000 etc...

If you are collecting for looks and not to run the stuff then you do not need to spend the $ for DCC.
 
The reasons for price differences are pretty basic.
DCC equipped engines have a small computer inside them that allows you to operate them more realistically. You can also run multiple engines independently on the same track.

As far as brands being more expensive, the answer is quality and detail. The average Joe a basic train set is sufficient for a set-up. Higher end models have a much higher detail, very high quality motors and drive trains that can creep at a snails pace with no jerkiness, and higher end control systems. Rolling stock is the same. Place a higher end unit next to the low end unit and the questions go away very quickly. Hope this helps.
 


I know about the DCC operations, but lets say I bought a non-DCC engine and installed the computer. Does this automatically increase the value 2 to 10 fold?

The manufacturers I've strayed away from the Tyco side myself and have a good assortment of Bachman, Rivarossi, Roundhouse, etc... just because of the looks. I wasn't too sure on the operation aspect, so thanks there I'll take a look at a side by side comparatives.

I do plan on having a layout one day, I just refuse to do it in an appartment for all the obvious reasons. That's why I'm just collecting right now. You know gathering the goodies for that build-plan. lol
The plan has basically been established to have a special crown molding placed in the future house as to run layouts throughout the house. Yes this will mean tunneling through walls, rounded corners, a rather interesting main platform where the trains elevate to the molding height, and of course that nice spot for the entire town I already have.
Yea, I've been planning a layout for years, running everything through my head just waiting. The whole deal would have been in motion had the housing market not peaked as it did though.
 
Future, installing a DCC decoder does not increase a models value by 10 times or even 2 times. Most DCC equipped engines go for about 30% more than a DCC engine. You may be thinking of sound and DCC equipped engines, which can go for twice the price of a DC engine because of the more expensive sound decoder, wiring, and speakers. Since you plan to run at some time in the futre, I would be looking for engines that already have DCC or have an NMRA 8 or 9 pin plug so you can easily install a DCC decoder.

Staying away from brands like Tyco is a good idea, since they neither look or run very good. It sounds like you're already buy the right brands although I'd keep my eye out for older Athearn freight cars, since they have good detail and are relatively cheap. It sounds like you have some big plans for your layout. We all eagerly await pictures. :)
 
Well what I've been doing was going for that basic train theme, but then I got my first 4-6-4 Rivarossi. I now have the 4-6-4, two 2-6-2's, two 0-4-0's, 1 2-6-0, and have lately been working on the Amtrack and overland portions.

The latest so far is a Roundhouse 2-6-0 D&RG steamer and matching cars to form a nice little set. I'm thinking the engine might even be brass because little portions are shining through the paint that brass coloring and it's definately got that weight behind it.

Anyway I'll post some old pic's of the stuff I have in the pictures section. Not a lot of great stuff to most of you long-timers, but I like what I got so far ;)
 
Anyway I'll post some old pic's of the stuff I have in the pictures section. Not a lot of great stuff to most of you long-timers, but I like what I got so far ;)

That's the most important thing right there. As long as your happy, it doesn't matter a hill of beans if anyone else likes it (except maybe the spouse)
 
It's honestly the one thing she doesn't complain about because it keeps me from pestering the heck out of her..ha ha ha
 
Future,
Since you're in an apartment, you might want to consider a mini layout. It can be as small as 2 foot. You can use it as a display for your best looking engine and maybe a car or 2. You can also learn the basics of scenery while building it as well.
 
I thought of N scale or Z scale for the apartment, but it wouldn't fit in with the saltwater fish tanks that are taking up the back room space.

I love the idea, but if the Z scale won't even fit, then either I'm pack-ratting in the apartment or I need to get a house pretty soon.
 


The latest so far is a Roundhouse 2-6-0 D&RG steamer and matching cars to form a nice little set. I'm thinking the engine might even be brass because little portions are shining through the paint that brass coloring and it's definately got that weight behind it.

If it's made by Roundhouse, it's not brass, since Roundhouse never made any brass locos. They did make a line of cast metal kits. The metal would look shiny where the paint wore off. They were good engines if they were assembled by a good modeler and had great pulling power.
 
I know about the DCC operations, but lets say I The manufacturers I've strayed away from the Tyco side myself and have a good assortment of Bachman, Rivarossi, Roundhouse, etc... just because of the looks. I wasn't too sure on the operation aspect, so thanks there I'll take a look at a side by side comparatives.

The differences from one brand to the next will become more apparent once you start operating them. Simply too much to go into it here in a simple reply. Tyco has been out of the model train business for a long time; their stuff from the 1960s has some collector appeal and it's durable if crude - but the locos still suffer from very stiff running, poor pickup, etc. Tyco became a subsidiary of a food company in the 1970s, and they seemed to use the train stuff as a loss leader to advertise their other products. Pretty much junk after that.

Rivarossi unlike Tyco has gone out of businesses and risen from the ashes more times than I can count, or rather its U.S. importers have been a merry go round of several different business names for the same guy, several different guys for the same business, and so on. Rivarossi tanked again a few years ago and has now been taken over by Hornby who is beginning to re-issue the stuff yet again. Some of it has been improved, a little or a lot depending on the product. When AHM was the importer in the 1960s and passenger cars were $1.49 and the Big Boy was $13.95, IMO that's the last time the stuff was priced for what it was worth... and back then my dad refused to buy the Rivarossi steam locos because they were "cheap junk".

You didn't indicate a preference for steam, diesel, or what railroads or eras you are interested in... possibly all, and there are more than a few of us who have that dilemma as well. But which manufacturers are recognized as poor-fair-average-good-excellent depends on which type of product you're talking about. The dominant manufacturers of steam locos are not necessarily the dominant manufacturers of diesels, and so on.

Bachmann has several tiers of product, but IMO even their top tier falls below most of the others in terms of total quality. They do better at steam than diesels, but they've laid more than a few eggs there too. Best Bachmann products seem to be the Shays. Worst - pretty much any diesel, especially in their base "toy" line.

Atlas probably has the highest average quality, by virtue of the fact that even their low-priced "Trainman" line is fairly new tooling.

Athearn is one of the oldest and largest HO scale manufacturers and their product line is extensive and covers over 50 years of evolution, mergers and acquisitions. Almost impossible to give them an overall rating, because it varies product by product and sometimes run by run.

Walthers is also a large and deep operation that has absorbed many other product lines over the years, most recently Life-Like and the Proto 2000 line. Proto 2000 is coming up on its 20th birthday and the newest releases from Walthers under the P2K name are about the best to date - Walthers has fixed many past issues with the P2K line in terms of drive line reliability and other things.

Kato has been highly regarded since they first came on the scene in 1984, manufacturing products for Atlas and others before importing to the U.S. under their own name. Their drive line is the best in the industry, but lately they have fallen behind in detail refinement and accuracy - as well as mystifying modifications to their proven drive line that leave me scratching my head. They have been successful in the USA/Canada market but their main emphasis as a corporation is Japan and Europe, so I don't expect to see them try and stay neck and neck with the others in the U.S. market. But I'll still use their drives anywhere I can.

Could go on all day I suppose, but the short answer is "it depends".

Andy
 
LOL, Nice reply!

Lately I'm more into the steamers since most of the stuff out for diesel is pretty much repetitive IMO. As well I went and ran a few different engines diesel and steam and I'm not impressed by Rivarossi very much at all. Some were noisier than the Tyco.

The steam is different as well. The Marklin steamers seemed to run smooth and with not much noise at all, whereas Bachman would get stuck on the track and sit there clicking as it tried to move. (and I used 4 different types of track)

I'm assuming that the collectible Tyco's are from the "Brown Box era", and at that they are merely just a collectible.
Athearn is by far, number 1 in my book for the overall looks and usability. They run fairly quiet, smooth, and most have factory paint that is rather nice to look at wanting you to not mess it up with weathering.
 
I'm assuming that the collectible Tyco's are from the "Brown Box era", and at that they are merely just a collectible.

I have fond memories of the "red box era" which was roughly 1960 to 1970, IIRC. I'm pretty sure they had gone to the brown box by 1971. The early brown box was the same as red box, but quicky the quality declined. Most of the original Tyco stuff went back to Mantua, and stuff under the Tyco name from then on was serious junk. The infamous "Vampire Power Truck" that they used in both 4 and 6-axle diesels - and even in the tender of their bogus "Chattanooga" 2-8-0 is the sign of the Tyco Apocalypse.

Even the older Tyco stuff was not all that prototypical, but at least they made some likeable, durable toys. I occasionally buy a MIB item in Tyco red box I must admit. And I have some tentative plans to build a vintage HO layout using as much pre-1970 material as possible (or pre-1960 if I can get away with it) as a Christmas tree thing. We'll see how far that gets...

Andy
 




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