Digitrax SE8C

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hamltnblue

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Hello All
I'm preparing to install my first SE8C at the club.
Looking at the manual I see that the board can be used for powering Slow Motion Switch Machines and Controlling Signals.
My question is, does the SEC8C drive 8 Torti's OR 64 signal LED's?
The other option is does the SEC8C drive 8 torti's AND 64 signal LED's?
Thanks
 
...My question is, does the SEC8C drive 8 Torti's OR 64 signal LED's?

The manual is quite explicit that it's "or".

However, IIRC, it's really a combination of the two - "Various" I's & O's.... ;)

Apparently, JMRI is *the* way to program the sucker.

Cheers,
Ian
 
To better understand the SE8c you must first take into consideration that the device is divided into 8 elements of two inputs, one output for turnouts and 8 outputs for signal aspects. This arrangement is for organizational purposes.

Actually the SE8c is a multipurpose device designed to cover all of the basic needs of a security element that includes block occupancy of the element (via add on block occupancy device), routing within the element (via the control of a stall motor control of the turnout points), and the control of 8 output signals to the various aspects for the element.

With other add on devices (i.e. BDL168, DS64's, and PM42's) amazing things can be done in the way of signaling.

You are not restricted to using the inputs and outputs as arranged. You can mix and match as needed. Mixing and matching of inputs and outputs is possible. All you need to do is to be able to see a non standard application and make use of the various inputs and outputs of the SE8c.

You are only limited by your imagination of what you can do with the proper hardware and software.

As an example on my layout should a short occur on the rails for any reason all of the signals inside or leading to the affected non operational area automatically turn red. When the short is removed they return to their normal pattern. I use BDL168's to determine block occupancy, DS54's and DS64's to determine routing, PM42's to determine power to the rails, the PR3 for communication between the LocoNet and the computer (whose only function is to control the signaling system) and a old, no longer supported, computer program to handle the signaling system.

I have a second computer system, with its own PR3 to LocoNet connection, that functions as a dispatchers panel for those occasions when a dispatcher is part of the operating session.

As a side note you do not need to use the inputs of the SE8c if you do not want to nor do you have to use them for the intended reason. I do not use the SE8c turnout inputs or the turnout outputs at all. This does not mean I could not use them. It just means I do not care to use them. I do not use the block occupancy feature of the SE8c either. My preference is to use a device for its primary purpose. If there are secondary purposes I generally do not use them.

Experimentation is a very good source for information. I created a very small test layout many years ago for the purpose of experimentation. The dimensions is 30" x 48". The track plan is an oval with a passing siding and a spur. There are three turnouts controlled by Tortoises, 13 electrical blocks, 8 signal heads, 1 UP5, 1 PM42, 1 BDL168, 1 DS64, 1 SE8c, 1 PR3, a Zephyr, and an older computer running JMRI software.

Al
 
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Our current problem is that our DS54 and 64's are using address 1 through 31. We'll need a dozen to a dozen or more se8c's. The result is we'll have to re-address the lowered numbered DS units to make room for the SE8's. Lots of work ahead. :rolleyes:
 
Actually if you do not use the turnout or block occupancy inputs of the SE8c then you do not need to change any addresses for DSxx or BDLxxx devices.

I have found that you can overlap such things as switch addresses and block occupancy detection addresses on multiple function devices as long as you do not use the same address on more than one device.

In the case of a SE8c you can use address 1 on the first card and you will have no problems with DS devices with addresses 1 & 2 as long as you do not use the turnout inputs on the SE8c or at least the same address inputs. The same holds true for DS devices with addresses 1 & 2 or a BDL device with an address of 1 where block occupancy is concerned.

I use the Digitrax devices only for their primary purposes. I use DSxx only for turn turnouts, BDLxxx only for block occupancy detection, SE8c only for signals, PM42 only for circuit breakers, and AR1 only for reverse loop control. By doing things in this manner I do not have to worry about overlap nor mix and match addressing.

I think it was foolish of Digitrax to construct multi function devices that can perform more than one type of task. While it can save the consumer money it can also add hours of planning time to insure no overlap of function and confusion on how to use the device for those that have problems solving logic problems.

I have sent several requests over the years for the creation of a BDL4 (four block occupancy device with LocoNet messaging), a BDL8 (eight block occupancy device with LocoNet messaging), a single Transponding detection device and a quad Transponding detection device both having LocoNet messaging. In most cases a nice letter was sent explaining that the cost for the feature would be to high thus limiting the market or that such limitations would be wasting a large portion of the processors capabilities.

Al
 




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