Computer Power Supply

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Dougget

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Hi,
I have access to a couple of computer power supplies. I believe they are 250 or 300 watt units. I also believe they have 12vdc and 5vdc outputs.

Has anyone used that type of power supply to run accessories or lighting on their layout? I plan to use LED's to light buildings, signal lights, and street lights, etc. One computer power supply could probably run everything.

Any experience? Lessons learned?

Thanks,
Doug
 
Hi,

I have a few lying in wait, and have used 'em for other stuff. Comments:

- In addition to high current +5v and 12v, they'll probably also have -5v and -12v IIRC - Sometimes wired into the same plug. (The color coding should be safe to use as a reference.)

- They can supply some serious juice - Be sure to put a suitable fuse before anything else and maybe reduce the value of the input fuse.

But, they make great power supplies!

HTH, cheers,
Ian
 


Older ones can be picked up cheap or free if you look in the right places :)

Indeed - I actually stopped pulling them from 'puters that were on their way out because I had too many of 'em!

One thing I forgot to mention is the really old ones (that run their fan constantly) can be a little noisy - Mitigated a lot if you mount it on rubber.

Cheers,
Ian
 
What's the difference between 5v and -5v?

I assume I have LEDs with 2.5v ratings I can run two in series without a resistor. End up with something like this...

Probably be able to string multiple pairs of LED's together.

Am I on the right track?
Doug
 
What's the difference between 5v and -5v?

No offense intended here, but if that's a serious question I suggest you quit messing with computer power supplies! They can kill you!.....

I assume I have LEDs with 2.5v ratings

Bad assumption IMHO - Generally, I'd start by "assuming" they're 1.5v and then go to 2v;

Voltage drop is usually 1.9~2.1V for AlGaInP, 3.1~3.5 for InGaN and 1.2V for Infrared.

http://www.hebeiltd.com.cn/?p=zz.led.resistor.calculator

Cheers,
Ian
 
Ian,
Thanks for the candid response.
My lack of knowledge about computer power supplies (CPS) is exactly why I'm asking. I don't mind messing around with typical battery power, but as soon as I plug something into the wall, I want to be sure I'm careful.

I've heard about people using "wall warts", laptop power supplies, and computer power supplies for various purposes. So I'm exploring the possibility.

I do have an old HO power pack. My original plan was to wire my led's so that I could set the DC output of the power pack at about 5 or 6 volts then take the knob off so I don't accidentily turn it up and fry my lights.

Just thinking that a CPS would give me more capacity.

If a power pack will meet my needs, I'll probably stick with that. Any idea how many LED's I could run from a typical HO power supply? Even if it's a ball park... Is 100 too many?

Thanks,
Doug
 
Ian,
Thanks for the candid response.
My lack of knowledge about computer power supplies (CPS) is exactly why I'm asking. I don't mind messing around with typical battery power, but as soon as I plug something into the wall, I want to be sure I'm careful.

OK - Thanks for taking my comment the way intended..... We'll get there!

I've heard about people using "wall warts", laptop power supplies, and computer power supplies for various purposes. So I'm exploring the possibility.

They'll all work in that they supply low voltages from a mains (110v or whatever) input - The key is knowing two things that are always printed on them somewhere - The output voltage(s) (DC, we don't want any AC here) and the current capability.

"Typical" wall warts range from ~2v to 20v and 50mA to 500mA.

The CPS I'm looking at right now says it outputs;

+5v @ 25A [:eek:]
+12v @ 10A
-5v @ 0.5A
-12v @ 0.5A

Note that the first two are particularly powerful - The +5v output is 50X-100X the power of the typical wall wart...... Be careful!.....

I do have an old HO power pack. My original plan was to wire my led's so that I could set the DC output of the power pack at about 5 or 6 volts then take the knob off so I don't accidentily turn it up and fry my lights.

Ahh, the old "suck it and see" approach! Nothing wrong with that, and there's a lot to be said for adjustability - You could even set different levels of lighting based on time of day.....[And/or instantly let the smoke out of every light on your layout :eek:] More below.

Just thinking that a CPS would give me more capacity.

Oh, it will! - *LOTS* more! As you can hopefully see from the above.

If a power pack will meet my needs, I'll probably stick with that. Any idea how many LED's I could run from a typical HO power supply? Even if it's a ball park... Is 100 too many?

"It depends". A reasonable starting point is ~20mA per led - So, 100 x 20mA is 2000mA, or 2A - If your supply can deliver 2A you're good to go. BUT, you've got to decide how to wire 'em (parallel or series or a combination of both).

I guess (always dangerous!) it's a maximum of 12v DC. What does it say for current? [It'll be either "X Amps" or "X VA" - We can work from either value.]

Do you have a multimeter? [Don't need anything fancy]

Returning to answer your original question - You are indeed on the right track with your little circuit diagram - You've got +5V coming in to the anode (the long lead, opposite the flat on the led) and eventually going to ground - Very good.

-5V OTOH would reverse your diagram - Feeding them from this you'd put the -5v at the bottom and ground at the top and they'll work the same - Current always flows to ground, and you want it going "the right way" to light the leds. [Having said that, mixing +5v and -5v will lead to confusion and, almost certainly the "magic smoke" being released at some point....]


HTH, cheers,
Ian
 
Bad assumption IMHO - Generally, I'd start by "assuming" they're 1.5v and then go to 2v;
Ian, my appologies but you not entirely correct here either. LEDs are current devices so what matters is not the voltage drop but the current through them, typically 25mA. (hence there is no such thing in nature as LED without matching current limiting resistor)

Ian,

My lack of knowledge about computer power supplies (CPS) is exactly why I'm asking.

they are called PSU - Power Supply Unit, not CPS.

with that, i started MRRing with PC PSU. switching between 12,5,3.3,G,-5 to adjust voltage. but then i got 10$ used crappy powerpack. much much more enjojable. and if you happen to have , gasp, 20 dollars, then you can afford the excellent MRC TechII powerpack.:) so i see no need in messing with PC supplies.
 
Ian, my appologies but you not entirely correct here either. LEDs are current devices so what matters is not the voltage drop but the current through them, typically 25mA.

You are, of course, correct - *My* apologies :)

One of the inherent dangers of trying to keep things "simple".....

I'll also check out the powerpack you mentioned - Sounds like a winner at $20! And (I assume) much less chance of releasing the magic smoke!

Cheers,
Ian
 


Computer power supplies are a great source for accessories on the layout. However, they aren't just plug them in and attach the accessories .... a few simple modifications are necessary in order for them to work properly for our purposes.

Here's a couple good sites that provide step-by-step for converting them ....

http://www.wikihow.com/Convert-a-Computer-ATX-Power-Supply-to-a-Lab-Power-Supply

http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/POWERSUPPLY.HTM

http://reckerclub.tripod.com/id105.html


Mark.
 
PC power supplies are terrific, but as others have said they may require some modification to work outside a computer. For example, some of these PSUs require a load on the 5V line in order for the 12V line to "turn on".

There are often lethal voltages in the 400V to 500V range floating around inside PC power supplies. So please use caution when working on them!

Here are a few discussion forum threads from R/C plane forums on the topic of converting PC power supplies for use as 12V supplies:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368639
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315179
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=55555
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=114054
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=41161
http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg189/12159-frankenpower-building-12v-power-supply.html

In addition, here are some helpful web sites on the same topic:
http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/powersupply.htm
http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/DESIGN_GUIDE.HTM
http://www.marcee.org/Articles/PCPowerSupply.htm
http://www.extensiontech.net/articles/howto/jb/pstu/
http://reckerclub.tripod.com/id105.html
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fast.electrics/PSU.pdf

- Jeff
 




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