What dcc unit would you buy

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I went from DC, to DC Blocks, to DCC and now I'm running RailPro (which could be initially DRC - Digital Radio Control). It was an expensive conversion for my limited amount of locos (I don't recommend if you have a huge fleet, unless you're the one who drew that huge winning lottery ticket), but I'm very happy with it. I like the sound aspect, but what really drew me into RailPro was the ease of consisting locos together. No speed matching necessary, multiple manufacturers, different motors, no (few) problems.
Now that they finally have a 21 pin decoder (RailPro calls them modules), it's pretty much open to any loco whether they're DCC, DCC ready, or DC waiting to be converted.
I also considered RailPro, I agree their biggest asset is the easy consisting, it's very innovative.
But, as for DCC, I found the complete equipment quite expensive. Also their "modules" seem big to me.
 
... Also their "modules" seem big to me.
I had trouble fitting one of the 9-pin modules into a loco once and then I committed the cardinal sin of just removing the plastic outer cover. Without that on, they're virtually identical to a basic DCC 9-pin in size. I did cover it with kapton tape, though, just to be on the safe side.
 
me if i was DC i would order all my locomotive DCC ready so i can change over later if i want also be able to sell certain locos if i want
 


You can program nearly any engine or decoder on the layout, it's called OPS mode. Most, if not all, systems won't "read" a decoder in OPS mode. I regularly use this method to adjust speed settings, so I don't have to keep picking up an engine, putting it on a programming track, taking it off the programming track, putting it back on the layout, running it, etc...

ESU with Railcom+ has bi-directional communication. Programming these decoders on the fly has never been easier. Any CV supported by ESU including NMRA and NEM standards can be programmed while the locomotive is in motion with other locomotives on the same track.
 
Oh boy, here we go!

I would suggest the Digitrax Zephyr. Looks and feels like a traditional DC control station but it’s DCC. Very easy to use. The color screen is a nice touch.
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i would also say, it depends where your from?
in europe the Roco Z21 is quite common.
but i dont think its really known in the US.
 
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i would also say, it depends where your from?
in europe the Rocco Z21 is quite common.
but i dont think its really known in the US.
Correct, I’m am not familiar with that system. When I get a chance today I’m going to look at it up.
 


Give us more info, what do you have now that you want to run? What are your future plans? Do you interact with others nearby, what do they use?
 
Didn't you already ask this question a couple of months ago?

 
As I say every time this question is asked, get the system that the most people and clubs in your area use. That way, you have local support in case you have a question or problem.

Didn't you already ask this question a couple of months ago?

Yes I did but I'm still up in air on what to buy and how easy it is to implement. After looking at several dcc units I have decided on NCE power cab. Why I took my time is that my new layout is only now ready to buy. I am 79 now this will be my first layout using dcc. I'm not very techie so I wanted to be sure I could use it. I do thank all you guys for your responses and comments.
I don't know any ho clubs in my area and even if I did I don't drive anymore. This is my last layout and it will be just 15x5, 3 track yard for some switching but mostly to run two trains, one a oil train and the other a freight train of mostly box cars and on top of that ill change it up with a steam engine with a NYC hudson. My dad was one of the last steam engineers out of GCT in NYC.
 
davidone wrote:
"Not in Europe, so the Z21 is out."

That post makes no sense.

It's been more than half a century since I was "in Europe", but I investigated and got ahold of the z21 system without any problems at all.

And then later on, I acquired ANOTHER "European" system -- the Digikeijs DR5000 -- again with no trouble at all.

Both were very easy to get up-and-running, the DR5000 particularly so.
 
rgeiter wrote (of the z21):
"Correct, I’m am not familiar with that system. When I get a chance today I’m going to look at it up."

Just go to youtube and search on "roco z21".
Plenty of videos.

I laugh every time I see someone in the USA model train forums say they never heard of the Roco z21 or Digikeijs DR5000 (or YaMoRC as well). Where is your curiosity?

I haven't been in Europe since 1972, yet I had no trouble finding out about the z21 when I got back into the little trains in 2018.

It didn't take me long to realize how SUPERIOR it was to the "traditional US systems" at that time. Some of them are catching up now... took them long enough.

rgeiter, be aware:
- There is the "black box" Z21 (quite expensive, but "deluxe" all the way)
- There is the "white box" z21 and z21start (I have the latter, works fine on my small railroad for controlling up to 4 engines at once)
- You can use the z21 with either a handheld controller OR via wifi.
- I believe Roco now offers a (handheld) "Minimaus" with both wifi and wired connectability
- BUT... if you want to use wifi, the BEST way to do it is by using the TPLink router (sold separately for the white z21, but I think it's included with the black Z21) and the Roco z21 app on either a smartphone or tablet.

Also be aware that US dealers will probably have ONLY the expensive black Z21, and there are only a couple of authorized US resellers.

I wanted the white box, so I bought from Europe.
Fortunately, the prices were a little cheaper back then.

But it's still available, if you shop carefully.

I still use the z21 today for my test track.
But these days I use a Digikeijs DR5000.
It works with the z21 app, also.

Some pics:
My z21 setup (built an enclosure for it)
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z21 app running on my tablet:
z21 on tablet.JPG

z21 programming screen -- THE BEST display for this anywhere:
z21 Programming Page.JPG
 
Because of the size of N scale and ho the speaker size does hinder quality sound, of course it could be me and when sound gets better maybe then I will upgrade to sound.
The physics of sound reproduction does not scale, so higher sound quality is probably not in the future. In the small spaces of a model locomotive It is not physically possible to move enough air to make it sound right to the full size human ear. There is a reason the Bose Acoustimass requires a separate large unit to go with the small cubes in their sound systems.
 
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ESU with Railcom+ has bi-directional communication. Programming these decoders on the fly has never been easier. Any CV supported by ESU including NMRA and NEM standards can be programmed while the locomotive is in motion with other locomotives on the same track.
Despite being the standard since 2012(?), most people have not "discovered" Railcom yet. Digitrax stubbornly sticks to their "transponding", and other vendors are not taking advantage of it --- yet. Lenz attempted to way back, but once again was largely ignored.

I am glad to hear that ESU is.
 
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What new dcc handheld would you buy? Most of my engines now are the newer types from scale trains, Athearn genesis and a few Atlas and some older units. All with the companies dcc installed.
I have some friends who recommend the NCE, would that be a good choice?
You currently have three identical threads running here. Please stop creating more threads about the same thing.
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*All the identical threads I can find are now merged here. Please respond in this thread moving forward. Thank you.*
 
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