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Good morning!

I’m looking to add an airbrush to my weathering tools. I’ve pretty much settled on gravity feed. I like the Paasche TG-3AS, which, with the three needles and heads, makes for flexible uses. I have a couple of questions or points I’m hoping to get answered:

1. What is double action? I know what it is in a revolver, but not so much in an airbrush. (I figured this one out.)

2. What about trigger-type airbrushes? I’ve seen good reviews on a Gaahleri (assume pronounced “gallery”), but I haven’t heard of them before. Some folks consider trigger types better for comfort, fatigue, & control? (Aware that Iwata makes one, gotta consider co$t)

3. How viable is it to use a “garage type” (inflates tires, runs nail guns, etc.) compressor for airbrushing? The one I have has both a fill and discharge regulator, and a tank large enough to supply all but the longest continuous runs.

4. I presume that the spray flow will be less vigorous than a spray can, allowing for thinner coats, and for chalk work to show better. Is this presumption correct

Oh: I’m working in N scale. I plan to start using it by replacing rattle cans for clear flat and general fading of cars, sealing my chalk work, etc. I do plan to expand into weathering bridges, track, buildings.

It goes without saying that I don’t expect to achieve in N scale the level you guys are attaining in HO.

My general talent level: Above average, a pretty good eye for color, usually able to strike a good balance between accurate color and something that needs to”pop” just a little so it can be seen in N scale. Willing to try different things, but know my limitations. Reasonably steady hand.

Replies eagerly sought.
 
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1: Double action means you push down the trigger to start the air, pull the the trigger back to start the paint flow.
2: Some swear by trigger action air brushes, others swear at them. I've never used one, so I can't offer any personal opinions. And I have heard it pronounced "gallery".
3: A garage type compressor will work fine for airbrushing. Just make sure you have an air pressure regulator (around 20 psi is good for a gravity feed brush) and a moisture trap. A lot of regulators have them built in.
4: The spray flow will be much less than a spray can.
Barbatos Rex just did a review of a kit from Gaahleri:

There's no magic to airbrushing, just practice!
 
C&OMtnMan said:
1. What is double action? I know what it is in a revolver, but not so much in an airbrush.
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Basically, single action sprays air and paint when activated, like a spray can.
Double action activates air when pressed down and pull back for paint, giving much better control of the amount of paint and spray application.
There are MANY You Tube videos for beginners choosing equipment and paints.
Much will be personal preference to what you are comfortable with and want to accomplish.
Like politics and religion, opinions will vary.
This is only my opinion.
 


C&OMtnMan said:
Good morning!

I’m looking to add an airbrush to my weathering tools. I’ve pretty much settled on gravity feed. I like the Paasche TG-3AS, which, with the three needles and heads, makes for flexible uses. I have a couple of questions or points I’m hoping to get answered:

1. What is double action? I know what it is in a revolver, but not so much in an airbrush. (I figured this one out.)

2. What about trigger-type airbrushes? I’ve seen good reviews on a Gaahleri (assume pronounced “gallery”), but I haven’t heard of them before. Some folks consider trigger types better for comfort, fatigue, & control? (Aware that Iwata makes one, gotta consider co$t)

3. How viable is it to use a “garage type” (inflates tires, runs nail guns, etc.) compressor for airbrushing? The one I have has both a fill and discharge regulator, and a tank large enough to supply all but the longest continuous runs.

4. I presume that the spray flow will be less vigorous than a spray can, allowing for thinner coats, and for chalk work to show better. Is this presumption correct

Oh: I’m working in N scale. I plan to start using it by replacing rattle cans for clear flat and general fading of cars, sealing my chalk work, etc. I do plan to expand into weathering bridges, track, buildings.

It goes without saying that I don’t expect to achieve in N scale the level you guys are attaining in HO.

My general talent level: Above average, a pretty good eye for color, usually able to strike a good balance between accurate color and something that needs to”pop” just a little so it can be seen in N scale. Willing to try different things, but know my limitations. Reasonably steady hand.

Replies eagerly sought.
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I was in the same position as you not so long ago, I started with a cheap Chinese airbrush, which was fine for learning on, although it was problematic at times, with paint clogging, splatter etc. Thanks to the gentlemen on the forum, I realised it wasn't so much the airbrush as my inexperience in air brushing.

Your queries have been answered above, so I'm not going to repeat what has already been said. Airbrush wise I would suggest a Harder&Steenbeck, which is what I now use, it's mid range price wise, and I find it very easy to use.
 
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Thanks everyone.

I’m looking to start small (small ambitions, not small work), laying down dullcote and fade coats. Drybrushing and brushed-on washes still, for detail effects. Then, later on getting into finer work with the airbrush.

It’s always good to take the advice of Inspector Harry Callahan:

Briggs: “I’ve been on the Force 20 years, Callahan, and my gun’s never been been out of it’s holster!”

Harry: “You’re a good man, lieutenant. A good man always knows his limitations.”
 


CambriaArea51 said:
Glad to here you'll still be here. I haven't done much train related due to I enjoy the summer and stay outside as much as possible. I do however still buy stuff so there will be projects down the road.
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Thanks Tom.

I have too much invested in the Continous threads to walk away, AT THIS TIME.

But the diner has bothered me for a couple months now. It was so much fun. Interesting conversations, great pictures that I truly will miss.

Skirting, but barely, politics was a great game played by many and accepted for years and Terry knew when to say something generic to remind us all. It was a great morning start for me. I loved every picture ever put up by Guy of the CN around his city in Canada. Those pictures really helped my modeling and especially my weathering. Why would we need a separate thread for that? He posted those but not often enough for me. Willies layout pictures were so forceful in showing me a little bit done everyday goes a long way. He created so many nice mini scenes.

I am sort of sheltered from people I thought of as friends before my retirement. Covid, moving away, retirement and selling off the businesses, I needed people, those people were replaced by the folks in the diner. I enjoyed the banter, knowing someone is under the weather or feeling or doing great.

The prototype pictures from Louis, Karl and others. Troy’s mystery discussions and his armies. Layout pictures, there were many. Heck, it was the diner where we could talk and discuss.

Heck a few months ago Alcomotives “show us what you got thread got“ sort of derailed by a what r u buying thread.almost the same thing. The comments to me almost made me leave the forum completely then.

I have walked away from other forums and early this morning was looking at the list and revisited a couple. As I went over things of the past few days I remembered why I came here and stayed, the comradeship.

I can’t take my Continous threads to other forums nor do I want to, for many of the reasons so many of us ended up here. There is no nastiness, no I’m better then you attitudes, here. Moderation was here but much of it private. I thought people here were actually helping fellow modelers by showing in the diner. Maintaining and keeping going a thread is very hard. So many of us don’t want to do it.

I start by looking at the whats new. I look in to most but don’t always post because I don’t have “all” the answers. I don’t have to or want to comment on every thread or question. We have had discussions in the diner that you should look at the number of views, not the replies. I always chuckled at a few “famous” sites that the same experts reply to everything. Then derail the original comments or questions to their way is best…

I belong to HO scale shelf Modelers on FB. About 100 of us joined the day (2 years ago roughly)) after an “original” site said he was closing but changed his mind. 2 years later and 15000+ members later Paul Cassar has moderated a pretty seamless non-controversial FaceBook group. Why because he let the members lead as he quietly GUIDED us. For the few years I have been here it was similar. Terry stepped but never publicly on any toes.

I was shocked and still am by the way Willie was treated and is being treated. That was the final straw for me there. If there ever was an ambassador for this forum, he was it. Even if he comes back along with some other self exiled members (including me) much of what the diner had is gone. IMO all because a moderator handled a private matter in public

Months before the Ukraine war I was suffering and made it known in the diner of my Anxiety issues. The war started and some posted about it. I didn’t run to a mod to stop the talk of the War. I mentioned I didn’t think in my condition I could handle talk of it here in the Diner. It was almost 1 year from that date before the war was even mentioned again and that by a new comer but by then my anxiety issues have been resolved. No one attacked me, there were a couple comments saying it’s the diner but both commenters saying while they didn’t agree with me they would respect what I wrote.

but times change, thanks for reading
 
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TLOC said:
Heck a few months ago Alcomotives “show us what you got thread got“ sort of derailed by a what r u buying thread.almost the same thing. The comments to me almost made me leave the forum completely then.
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That's kinda what I mention in a comment in the coffee shop that some subjects fall into different forum threads, which one do you go to. I don't have the time to wonder through to see what is up. The Coffee Shop was like a master directory on what was going on. As posted in the coffee shop I don't see any new names posting that would be the so called complainers, just less of the regulars.
 
First time posting in this subject. I have some spare HO scale steam locomotive parts, enough to assemble the engine and maybe a tender, but not enough to make an operating model (and with 12-13 other that do work, I don't need another one). What I have thought is to possibly create a locomotive that is headed for the scrapyard. Aside from rust on most of the structure, what would such a locomotive look like? I may make it so it could be hauled in a train without motor or mechanism. Might one such critter have the main rods removed, leaving just the side rods, or could it be moved with the main rods intact (so I don't have to actually remove them in case I wanted to canibalize the driving assembly for a later operating project?
 
TLOC said:
Thanks Tom.

I have too much invested in the Continous threads to walk away, AT THIS TIME.

But the diner has bothered me for a couple months now. It was so much fun. Interesting conversations, great pictures that I truly will miss.

Skirting, but barely, politics was a great game played by many and accepted for years and Terry knew when to say something generic to remind us all. It was a great morning start for me. I loved every picture ever put up by Guy of the CN around his city in Canada. Those pictures really helped my modeling and especially my weathering. Why would we need a separate thread for that? He posted those but not often enough for me. Willies layout pictures were so forceful in showing me a little bit done everyday goes a long way. He created so many nice mini scenes.

I am sort of sheltered from people I thought of as friends before my retirement. Covid, moving away, retirement and selling off the businesses, I needed people, those people were replaced by the folks in the diner. I enjoyed the banter, knowing someone is under the weather or feeling or doing great.

The prototype pictures from Louis, Karl and others. Troy’s mystery discussions and his armies. Layout pictures, there were many. Heck, it was the diner where we could talk and discuss.

Heck a few months ago Alcomotives “show us what you got thread got“ sort of derailed by a what r u buying thread.almost the same thing. The comments to me almost made me leave the forum completely then.

I have walked away from other forums and early this morning was looking at the list and revisited a couple. As I went over things of the past few days I remembered why I came here and stayed, the comradeship.

I can’t take my Continous threads to other forums nor do I want to, for many of the reasons so many of us ended up here. There is no nastiness, no I’m better then you attitudes, here. Moderation was here but much of it private. I thought people here were actually helping fellow modelers by showing in the diner. Maintaining and keeping going a thread is very hard. So many of us don’t want to do it.

I start by looking at the whats new. I look in to most but don’t always post because I don’t have “all” the answers. I don’t have to or want to comment on every thread or question. We have had discussions in the diner that you should look at the number of views, not the replies. I always chuckled at a few “famous” sites that the same experts reply to everything. Then derail the original comments or questions to their way is best…

I belong to HO scale shelf Modelers on FB. About 100 of us joined the day (2 years ago roughly)) after an “original” site said he was closing but changed his mind. 2 years later and 15000+ members later Paul Cassar has moderated a pretty seamless non-controversial FaceBook group. Why because he let the members lead as he quietly GUIDED us. For the few years I have been here it was similar. Terry stepped but never publicly on any toes.

I was shocked and still am by the way Willie was treated and is being treated. That was the final straw for me there. If there ever was an ambassador for this forum, he was it. Even if he comes back along with some other self exiled members (including me) much of what the diner had is gone. IMO all because a moderator handled a private matter in public

Months before the Ukraine war I was suffering and made it known in the diner of my Anxiety issues. The war started and some posted about it. I didn’t run to a mod to stop the talk of the War. I mentioned I didn’t think in my condition I could handle talk of it here in the Diner. It was almost 1 year from that date before the war was even mentioned again and that by a new comer but by then my anxiety issues have been resolved. No one attacked me, there were a couple comments saying it’s the diner but both commenters saying while they didn’t agree with me they would respect what I wrote.

but times change, thanks for reading
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Tom, I'm hoping this all gets squared away. Running Bear's Coffee Shop has always been a special place and you have made it even better.

I hope to see you back there soon!
 
Bruette said:
Tom, I'm hoping this all gets squared away. Running Bear's Coffee Shop has always been a special place and you have made it even better.

I hope to see you back there soon!
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Louis, Thank you. It was a special gathering place and as I stated above, I loved it. I got a PM this morning from another member and while it was very informative I chuckled at, you picked a great place to exile. I miss my trains and my bench time but Maui is so relaxing.

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trailrider said:
First time posting in this subject. I have some spare HO scale steam locomotive parts, enough to assemble the engine and maybe a tender, but not enough to make an operating model (and with 12-13 other that do work, I don't need another one). What I have thought is to possibly create a locomotive that is headed for the scrapyard. Aside from rust on most of the structure, what would such a locomotive look like? I may make it so it could be hauled in a train without motor or mechanism. Might one such critter have the main rods removed, leaving just the side rods, or could it be moved with the main rods intact (so I don't have to actually remove them in case I wanted to canibalize the driving assembly for a later operating project?
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Trailrider

thanks for looking over the thread. I think anything you do will work. If it’s disassembled just leave the parts scattered around the Locomotive. Rust up the scattered parts, heavy grime on the body parts. Put it on a grassy unused siding, a scrap yard or even some back tracks at a Locomotive servicing center.

Add some people to the scene, maybe with a truck crane to demonstrate that it’s being disassembled
 
Funny, up until this drama. I never was a regular in the diner. I preferred reading new posts in their own sections, I could quickly see if it might interest me just by the section it was in.

I like sharing the hobby talk and not so much the personal stuff so I probably missed a lot, that's ok. I like Tony and his attitude as well. I only wish he would pop in and say something. Maybe too much has been read into the red letters. Maybe not enough by me I don't know.
 


CambriaArea51 said:
That's kinda what I mention in a comment in the coffee shop that some subjects fall into different forum threads, which one do you go to. I don't have the time to wonder through to see what is up. The Coffee Shop was like a master directory on what was going on. As posted in the coffee shop I don't see any new names posting that would be the so called complainers, just less of the regulars.
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Oh I truly understand that. Time marches on and we are a busy civilization. The coffee shop/diner was such an informative fun place to me. Rants were common but we “all” seemed to understand why and commiserated along with the poster. “Master directory” is a great term and very accurate. I may borrow that. I wandered over and read this morning but did not and will not comment there until a resolution occurs. Troy was spot on in his comments today

life is so much fun

Aloha!
 
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