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Drove to the barber shop only to find the barber didn't show up again. I don't know how this gal stays in business. She has no regular hours and comes and goes whenever she pleases. There is no shop phone, and though I have her number, she never answers and her mailbox is perpetually full.

Her partner works every other day so hopefully I can catch her tomorrow. I talked to her and she said she would absolutely be there. The owner that never shows up used to cut with a well established, old fashioned barber that was always open. He finally retired about five years ago and I've been putting up with this no-show crap ever since. As an aside, this barber attended barber school in Belleville, Illinois with my previous long time barber who is now also retired. He cut my hair for 40 years since I was four years old.

Groceries were delivered on-time and I found out why I only slept only a little over six hours last night. The neighbor's louder-than-legal truck didn't wake me at 0300 like every other morning. I slept through the night. First time in months except on Sunday mornings.

Time to get into the train room for a little grass sowing.

PS, my Deutsch officially sucks. I took, and barely passed three separate independent A1 Level exams this morning. I will never make it to A2 without instruction. On the positive side, I took a 30 question German citizenship test and only missed two.
 
Gonna grump right now. Deep freeze was supposed to be delivered yesterday, so I was at home all day waiting. Missed an old friend's funeral waiting for a delivery that never arrives. Well it arrived today with a couple of damaged spots on the box. Had to sign for it to check for damage and while that is going on the Fedex guy leaves. I took pics of the damage before opening and yup, the freezer has dents in both sides. Now it's for the garage, but I am still honked. When Lady C gets home I will see if she wants to keep it. If not, I will be fighting with Walmart/Fedex this afternoon. Yeesh.

I hope you get some satisfaction from either Fed-Ex or Walmart. Both actually suck for the most part.
 
the freezer has dents in both sides. Now it's for the garage, but I am still honked.
They might give you a discount, which could be a more cost-effective option for Walmart and help you save some money.

I'm sorry to hear you missed the funeral. I suspect your old friend would understand.
Drove to the barber shop only to find the barber didn't show up again. I don't know how this gal stays in business.
Sound like a money laundering joint, I'm being facetious, forgive me.

I'm sorry for your aggravation.
 


Just ran across this from Facebook:


— Micro-Trains Line Company, Inc. announced today that it has been acquired by Atlas Model Railroad Co Production will transition into Atlas’s global manufacturing and supply network, ensuring continued availability and consistent quality standards worldwide.
That means China.

I can't blame Eric. If the offer was good enough and he can retire, why not. He earned it and I'm sure his staff will be taken care of.
 
Those commercials are kinda cheesy but seriously one of the things the model railroad hobby needs to do is start advertising itself outside of the traditional hobby media. I know as a kid back in the 80s and 90s we saw commercials for TYCO's remote control cars and other toys but never trains. Also no model train company advertised to us at all unless you were reading hobby magazines. Toys r' us did mention trains in their jingle and did sell them as did Kay-Bee, Children's Palace, and some other toy stores but yeah, the companies never bothered advertising beyond hobby magazines. Yeah, I know it costs money to advertise but as the saying goes "You gotta spend money to make money." Think about it this way back in those days during every rotation of commercials there was at least one for McDonald's. By the time the saturday cartoons wrapped up and it was lunchtime we were rarin' to go and ready to run through a brick wall for McDonald's.
 
That means China.

I can't blame Eric. If the offer was good enough and he can retire, why not. He earned it and I'm sure his staff will be taken care of.
If by "Being taken care of", you mean being summarily fired this morning with no notice or warning, then yes, they were well taken care of.
The equipment is being sold at auction, and the tooling is being shipped to China for future production.
 
If by "Being taken care of", you mean being summarily fired this morning with no notice or warning, then yes, they were well taken care of.
The equipment is being sold at auction, and the tooling is being shipped to China for future production.
All employees were fired this morning except the skeleton crew to process remaining orders. What makes you think they didn't get a severance package? This is business, not personal. Yes it sucks, but it's just like what happens in the tech world. Atlas made the offer and probably dictated the terms.

Happened to me once. Got to work and the locks were changed on the doors. No notice, no nothing. Last paychecks were mailed out. Everyone including management were blind sided by the owner.

Really sucks that it happened at this time of year. Talent, OR is a small town (~6000 IIRC) about midway between Medford and Ashland.
 
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Snow. Snow and more snow.
Goodnight all.

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Sad to read of this happening to the folks at Micro-trains.
Well Walmart was very nice on the phone, but won't do damaged discounts. But they did give a full refund and will send someone to pick up the freezer Monday. Did manage to twist my back somehow moving the little beast around, or maybe it was straightening up a cluttered garage or train area.
Take my advice, if you get the chance to break your back.....don't. It ain't worth the annoyance...
 
What makes you think they didn't get a severance package?
A friend of mine owns a model railroad manufacturing company, and is friends with several of the former MT employees. According to him, they were called into a meeting this morning, and were told "you no longer have a job. Clean out your desks and leave". There was no severance other than their last paychecks.
 
Part of my refocussing is to spend some time with music each night when able.

but, when we moved to Los Angeles back in 2016, I sold my CD collection, and gave away my LPs to a friend who collected... I'm glad I didn't have to move them, store them, then move them back...

But, I miss the CDs.

So tonight's concert on YouTube:

 
A friend of mine owns a model railroad manufacturing company, and is friends with several of the former MT employees. According to him, they were called into a meeting this morning, and were told "you no longer have a job. Clean out your desks and leave". There was no severance other than their last paychecks.

I don't want to say too much so we don't get into politics, but this is why you have targeted tariffs / duties. (I'm not speaking of general tariffs like we're seeing now).

A functioning economy has to be made up of givers and takers. Takers are the one who sell stuff and take money out, or who trade labor for money. Givers are ones who buys stuff and give money or who trade money for labor. A functioning economy has to have a relative equilibrium of both.

Companies who outsource labor to foreign, cheaper markets and import the products to sell are predominantly only takers. And that upsets the equilibrium in the economy and basically shifts economic costs to the rest of the economy. Those costs don't disappear, they get shifted. When you only take and don't give you have fewer people employed. Support of those people is shifted onto the backs of the rest of the economy (taxes and a lot of other means). This is where targeted tariffs can help. The cost savings that a domestic manufacturer gains by shifting labor overseas is just shifted. In the macro sense it's not a savings. To help mitigate it, targeted tariffs approximately equal to the savings achieved by shifting labor overseas should be aimed at those products being imported.

I'm speaking about domestic companies who manufacture overseas, import it, and sell them domestically. I'm not speaking about foreign companies who are exporting and selling their own goods in their own name in another country. Those should not be tariffed as they didn't remove labor from the domestic economy and at least for 1st world countries, actual foreign imports (not domestic companies importing stuff they outsourced) is a small percentage and any imbalance can be made up by domestic companies selling US made products in foreign countries.

And before I hear cries of "a tariff is just a tax". A tariffed product price represents the real cost of that product in the domestic market. If that product was manufactured inside the domestic economy it's what the price would be for that product. It's evening the playing field and reducing the need for other forms of taxation needed to try and equalize the imbalance created by cost shifting that these companies do when they outsource. Taxes are taken to support the people who don't have work or get paid less than they would otherwise due to this. So no, you're not being taxed by targeted tariffs like I described. Blanket tariffs are a crude way of trying to solve this imbalance but the "tariff is a tax" is more true with wide based tariffs than targeted ones.

What I am saying is that I won't support, in as much as possible, domestic companies that outsource labor because they're shifting costs to me. There are some categories of products where you have no choice. Some of those products the physical manufacture is overseas but most of the intellectual manufacture (software, design. etc) is local so a good portion of the cost or a product is actually the "giving" these companies do in hiring software and hardware engineers, designers, etc., who make up the majority cost of an item. Apple for example, unfortunately, manufacturers most of its physical stuff overseas. That's slowly changing slightly. However, the vast majority of their "soft" manufacturing is in the US. So products that have a minimal footprint in the US -- basically a small US team seeing tons of foreign made product (especially stuff that used to be made in the US) is stuff I try and avoid if possible. Anyone getting rid of their company and selling it to someone who then shifts the manufacturing overseas is not going to get my money if I have options and choices.

You can't shift all your manufacturing and labor overseas. Pretty soon you don't have an economy. We can't all be Amazon drivers, McDOnalds workers, or CEOs.
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Let me give an example: Mattel sells Barbie Dolls. Those barbie Dolls are made overseas. Mattel is a US company. The Barbie Dolls should be the subject of a targeted tariff that approximates the cost to the economy of being shifted overseas vs made locally. Fictitious company Weng Hong Red Dragon Toy Company Ltd makes a competitor to Barbie called Ling Ling. They import the Ling Ling dolls into the US to sell. They should not be tariffed as they are a foreign company selling imported foreign goods (ignoring any tariff that their country puts on US manufactured goods being sold there by a US company -- we should have tit for tat tariffs to try to discourage high barriers to entry for true foreign trade). And Mattel should not be tariffed importing US made Barbies 9if such existed) into the country of the fictitious foreign doll maker I mentioned above.

I don't have numbers but I am betting that the "foreign trade" which is really just US makers shifting costs to cheaper labor m markets and importing it (back) into the US is much larger than true foreign trade of foreign companies bringing in their wares to sell here. And that's why its a problem.

I'm slowly working on these ideas to write an essay to put up somewhere but that's the gist. A functioning economy needs an equilibrium of "givers" and "takers" and domestic companies that ship labor costs overseas just transfer that cost onto the rest of the economy that they want to benefit from but do not want to contribute to.
 
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I don't want to say too much so we don't get into politics, but this is why you have targeted tariffs / duties. (I'm not speaking of general tariffs like we're seeing now).

A functioning economy has to be made up of givers and takers. Takers are the one who sell stuff and take money out, or who trade labor for money. Givers are ones who buys stuff and give money or who trade money for labor. A functioning economy has to have a relative equilibrium of both.

Companies who outsource labor to foreign, cheaper markets and import the products to sell are predominantly only takers. And that upsets the equilibrium in the economy and basically shifts economic costs to the rest of the economy. Those costs don't disappear, they get shifted. When you only take and don't give you have fewer people employed. Support of those people is shifted onto the backs of the rest of the economy (taxes and a lot of other means). This is where targeted tariffs can help. The cost savings that a domestic manufacturer gains by shifting labor overseas is just shifted. In the macro sense it's not a savings. To help mitigate it, targeted tariffs approximately equal to the savings achieved by shifting labor overseas should be aimed at those products being imported.

I'm speaking about domestic companies who manufacture overseas, import it, and sell them domestically. I'm not speaking about foreign companies who are exporting and selling their own goods in their own name in another country. Those should not be tariffed as they didn't remove labor from the domestic economy and at least for 1st world countries, actual foreign imports (not domestic companies importing stuff they outsourced) is a small percentage and any imbalance can be made up by domestic companies selling US made products in foreign countries.

And before I hear cries of "a tariff is just a tax". A tariffed product price represents the real cost of that product in the domestic market. If that product was manufactured inside the domestic economy it's what the price would be for that product. It's evening the playing field and reducing the need for other forms of taxation needed to try and equalize the imbalance created by cost shifting that these companies do when they outsource. Taxes are taken to support the people who don't have work or get paid less than they would otherwise due to this. So no, you're not being taxed by targeted tariffs like I described. Blanket tariffs are a crude way of trying to solve this imbalance but the "tariff is a tax" is more true with wide based tariffs than targeted ones.

What I am saying is that I won't support, in as much as possible, domestic companies that outsource labor because they're shifting costs to me. There are some categories of products where you have no choice. Some of those products the physical manufacture is overseas but most of the intellectual manufacture (software, design. etc) is local so a good portion of the cost or a product is actually the "giving" these companies do in hiring software and hardware engineers, designers, etc., who make up the majority cost of an item. Apple for example, unfortunately, manufacturers most of its physical stuff overseas. That's slowly changing slightly. However, the vast majority of their "soft" manufacturing is in the US. So products that have a minimal footprint in the US -- basically a small US team seeing tons of foreign made product (especially stuff that used to be made in the US) is stuff I try and avoid if possible. Anyone getting rid of their company and selling it to someone who then shifts the manufacturing overseas is not going to get my money if I have options and choices.

You can't shift all your manufacturing and labor overseas. Pretty soon you don't have an economy. We can't all be Amazon drivers, McDOnalds workers, or CEOs.
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Let me give an example: Mattel sells Barbie Dolls. Those barbie Dolls are made overseas. Mattel is a US company. The Barbie Dolls should be the subject of a targeted tariff that approximates the cost to the economy of being shifted overseas vs made locally. Fictitious company Weng Hong Red Dragon Toy Company Ltd makes a competitor to Barbie called Ling Ling. They import the Ling Ling dolls into the US to sell. They should not be tariffed as they are a foreign company selling imported foreign goods (ignoring any tariff that their country puts on US manufactured goods being sold there by a US company -- we should have tit for tat tariffs to try to discourage high barriers to entry for true foreign trade). And Mattel should not be tariffed importing US made Barbies 9if such existed) into the country of the fictitious foreign doll maker I mentioned above.

I don't have numbers but I am betting that the "foreign trade" which is really just US makers shifting costs to cheaper labor m markets and importing it (back) into the US is much larger than true foreign trade of foreign companies bringing in their wares to sell here. And that's why its a problem.

I'm slowly working on these ideas to write an essay to put up somewhere but that's the gist. A functioning economy needs an equilibrium of "givers" and "takers" and domestic companies that ship labor costs overseas just transfer that cost onto the rest of the economy that they want to benefit from but do not want to contribute to.

That makes perfect sense to me. I'm being penalized by the tariff on German and Austrian made trains that are in no way made here in the US. No company here in the US is going to start making German, Swiss, and Austrian outline scale models to avoid a tariff so a handful of Euro modelers don't have to pay it.
 
I dont' understand much of that economic stuff. I thought the tariff thing going on was based on stuff, unless you are talking about something else. I found this 2022 report and while not everything has a tariff, some are crazy. This is Japan tariff on US stuff. Other countries are listed.


Cocoa powder is 24.87% while asses is 0%. What a relief that our asses aren't taxed. I don't know what I'd do without my asses.

What I do wish would happen is for the US to start manufacturing more. I remember the Oakland bay bridge had to be outsourced. That was a fiasco and I think what they ended up getting from China was poor quality.
 


I dont' understand much of that economic stuff. I thought the tariff thing going on was based on stuff, unless you are talking about something else. I found this 2022 report and while not everything has a tariff, some are crazy. This is Japan tariff on US stuff. Other countries are listed.


Cocoa powder is 24.87% while asses is 0%. What a relief that our asses aren't taxed. I don't know what I'd do without my asses.

What I do wish would happen is for the US to start manufacturing more. I remember the Oakland bay bridge had to be outsourced. That was a fiasco and I think what they ended up getting from China was poor quality.
The current US president upended the normal tariffs structure this spring and has been laying tariffs of various sizes on all sorts if stuff on every country.

The nitty gritty is item category based. Toys and model trains used to be 0% into the US (before the current changes). So your 2022 info is woefully out of date.

There were also exemptions for "small" shipments into the US for personal use and that sort of thing. Those have been greatly reduced or done away with.

It seems the personal exemption for personally bringing stuff back is still in effect so to avoid tariffs on your models, go on a trip to Japan or Germany or wherever :). Saves the tariff costs up to the exemption limit (which was and still is $800 per person I believe).

I'll find out in a couple weeks when we return from Japan though I'm not planning on buying hardly anything strain related given my current situation. But I'll have the forms on return which will tell me.
 
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