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. There's already a whale of a tender waiting for it. Those "Coast to coast" tenders didn't come to use on the "Hippos" until WW II:
This is the idea:
The photos are all black and white, but there is enough shading to say you have at least some artistic license! If you can see rivet detail, I'd leave it alone. There is also the difference between brass models and MDC/Bowser, etc. Parts were shared and liberties taken in the name of economics. I'll look at some brass models and see what the importers and builders did, though even they made mistakes and took liberties.
moving on to the 2-6-2, Balboa did an 1800 series Prairie. It had a lagged firebox. Samhongsa later did a 1000 series. It didn’t. So based on that I think you’re good on the firebox!
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KriegslokBR52
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Oh, since i'm not a die hard dyed in the wool Pennsy purist fan, this thing will be an abomination to the purists
. There's already a whale of a tender waiting for it. Those "Coast to coast" tenders didn't come to use on the "Hippos" until WW II:
This is the idea:
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KriegslokBR52
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Similar tenders, but with three axle trucks were actually tried on few K4 pacifics. They dwarfed the K4.
Nice thread. Refreshing to see someone detailing steam to this level! One comment, though I hesitate to correct anyone's work: The Santa Fe Prairie: Note that the Santa Fe lagged smokeboxes and fireboxes, so the graphite on those areas would not show. Smokebox fronts got a coat of "Tarpon Gray". A little graphite may peek through here and there but isn't totally exposed. How do I know this? "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" was a big help, as was Chard Walker's "Cajon". Plus, I got scolded by a couple of avid Santa Fe modelers for my pacific. Dudes had no sense of humor! 
You'd have thought I painted a GG-1 in Daylight colors (which someone did once upon a time)! I've done a few Santa Fe models. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. It actually makes painting their steamers easier. You can do the graphite with a detailing brush!
Note the exposed graphite on the bottom edge of the firebox, and the maintenance access hatch between the stack and the sand dome.
Here's the pacific I got scolded for: I like the paint job but I could be biased here.
I wouldn't change anything if I were you, just file this away for future reference. Most people won't know except the prototype police!
You'd have thought I painted a GG-1 in Daylight colors (which someone did once upon a time)! I've done a few Santa Fe models. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. It actually makes painting their steamers easier. You can do the graphite with a detailing brush! Note the exposed graphite on the bottom edge of the firebox, and the maintenance access hatch between the stack and the sand dome.
Here's the pacific I got scolded for: I like the paint job but I could be biased here.
I wouldn't change anything if I were you, just file this away for future reference. Most people won't know except the prototype police!
On those cast Bowser boilers? Nah! Those things will pull the plaster off the walls! They are a test of patience, but if you do them right, they are very good runners and pullers.
I'm not a huge Pennsy guy. You'd think I would be, growing up in Pittsburgh, but it didn't happen. The Rivarossi Cab Forward corrupted me! I did know one though. He told me those huge tenders got put on 2-10-0's because of a union dispute. Pennsy was having issues with the union over a fueling stop, so they stuck these huge tenders on the 2-10-0's and eliminated the fuel stop all together. Dirty pool!
KriegslokBR52
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I was actually wondering about that. Even on black and white pictures Santa Fe steam looks all black. I'll probably just hand brush it. This model is off anyway from the prototype pictures of real 1050s.Nice thread. Refreshing to see someone detailing steam to this level! One comment, though I hesitate to correct anyone's work: The Santa Fe Prairie: Note that the Santa Fe lagged smokeboxes and fireboxes, so the graphite on those areas would not show. Smokebox fronts got a coat of "Tarpon Gray". A little graphite may peek through here and there but isn't totally exposed. How do I know this? "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" was a big help, as was Chard Walker's "Cajon". Plus, I got scolded by a couple of avid Santa Fe modelers for my pacific. Dudes had no sense of humor!
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Note the exposed graphite on the bottom edge of the firebox, and the maintenance access hatch between the stack and the sand dome.
Here's the pacific I got scolded for: I like the paint job but I could be biased here.
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I wouldn't change anything if I were you, just file this away for future reference. Most people won't know except the prototype police!
KriegslokBR52
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I've never heard that story, but i knew it had to do something with elimination of fuel stops. It's amazing how many actual disputes were going on on a lot of railroads. Heard about Reading T1, having supposedly adjusted rear suspension to place more weight on the trailing truck; all to lessen the pay checks of Reading engineers, because on steam you got paid according to weight on the drive wheels. That same issue turned out to be a few million dollars law suit of C&O against Lima, for not providing accurate weight on drive wheels of their "Allegheny" 2-6+6-6.I'm not a huge Pennsy guy. You'd think I would be, growing up in Pittsburgh, but it didn't happen. The Rivarossi Cab Forward corrupted me! I did know one though. He told me those huge tenders got put on 2-10-0's because of a union dispute. Pennsy was having issues with the union over a fueling stop, so they stuck these huge tenders on the 2-10-0's and eliminated the fuel stop all together. Dirty pool!
Yeah, and I'll eventually correct my Pacific. I have another one just like it in the "to-do" stack. I wanted a pair of them for a Santa Fe passenger train I was doing. The Santa Fe used double headed Pacifics out of Chicago because the trackage there couldn't handle their big Northerns
Those were interesting times. There was also a huge dispute over the first FT's. The Union wanted a crew on each unit for a total of four crews for an ABBA lash up. Even today, you can make a ton of money working for the railroad if you know how to work the system.
KriegslokBR52
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Would you do the firebox in black also?
Yes. you'll have to double click the Northern photo to enlarge it. When you do, you'll be able to see how just a little graphite peeks out at the firebox bottom. If you want, I can grab it out of the basement and do some close ups for you.
KriegslokBR52
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The firebox on the 2-6-2 has no lagging, that's why i was thinking all grey.
A quick look in the book says you are correct. Looks like the smokeboxes were lagged but not the fireboxes. At least on some locos. The 1800 class looks lagged. Others don't. That's why you never say never in this hobby!
The photos are all black and white, but there is enough shading to say you have at least some artistic license! If you can see rivet detail, I'd leave it alone. There is also the difference between brass models and MDC/Bowser, etc. Parts were shared and liberties taken in the name of economics. I'll look at some brass models and see what the importers and builders did, though even they made mistakes and took liberties.
KriegslokBR52
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Speaking of Daylight colors on a GG1, someone did the paint scheme on Pennsy T1...and i can't kidd myself, it looked AWESOME.Nice thread. Refreshing to see someone detailing steam to this level! One comment, though I hesitate to correct anyone's work: The Santa Fe Prairie: Note that the Santa Fe lagged smokeboxes and fireboxes, so the graphite on those areas would not show. Smokebox fronts got a coat of "Tarpon Gray". A little graphite may peek through here and there but isn't totally exposed. How do I know this? "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" was a big help, as was Chard Walker's "Cajon". Plus, I got scolded by a couple of avid Santa Fe modelers for my pacific. Dudes had no sense of humor!
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Note the exposed graphite on the bottom edge of the firebox, and the maintenance access hatch between the stack and the sand dome.
Here's the pacific I got scolded for: I like the paint job but I could be biased here.
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I wouldn't change anything if I were you, just file this away for future reference. Most people won't know except the prototype police!
Someone did the GG 1 at a prototype modelers meet years ago. The Pennsy guys all had a cow!
moving on to the 2-6-2, Balboa did an 1800 series Prairie. It had a lagged firebox. Samhongsa later did a 1000 series. It didn’t. So based on that I think you’re good on the firebox!
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Both of those sound like something I'd like to see. I'm not above fantasy paint schemes.
KriegslokBR52
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I posted the Facebook thread to the pictures somewhere in January Running bear topic, it's burried in there among about 100 pages of jabber. Maybe you can locate it, I'll try later and repost it in my topic here, so it will be easier to find.
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Went down to Timonium Train show yesterday. Among thousands of reading materials i found a drawing of as delivered I1 decapods in 1927 Locomotive Cyclopedia:
So apparently this look was standard enough from a factory, that it was even included in this old material. Today back at the work bench and i finally managed to mechanically connect the air tanks to the pilot. I drilled and tapped two holes in the tanks themselves, drilled clearance hole in the pilot subframe and there it is:
Used tiny flathead 00-90 screws.
Before mounting the tank assembly i have also reamed out the space between the tanks, so the whole thing would look like an actual pair of tanks instead of one cast piece:
One can see the smokebox front between the tanks under the deck. More to do is to somehow extend the steam pipes from the cylinder block to the smokebox, so they will look like they are connected. I actually might use pieces of styrene for that as it's not critical to have metal in that spot. I still have to replace those hideous looking guiding wheels on the front truck. And the whole valve gear needs to be put together, tbc...
So apparently this look was standard enough from a factory, that it was even included in this old material. Today back at the work bench and i finally managed to mechanically connect the air tanks to the pilot. I drilled and tapped two holes in the tanks themselves, drilled clearance hole in the pilot subframe and there it is:
Used tiny flathead 00-90 screws.
Before mounting the tank assembly i have also reamed out the space between the tanks, so the whole thing would look like an actual pair of tanks instead of one cast piece:
One can see the smokebox front between the tanks under the deck. More to do is to somehow extend the steam pipes from the cylinder block to the smokebox, so they will look like they are connected. I actually might use pieces of styrene for that as it's not critical to have metal in that spot. I still have to replace those hideous looking guiding wheels on the front truck. And the whole valve gear needs to be put together, tbc...
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