Oh, since i'm not a die hard dyed in the wool Pennsy purist fan, this thing will be an abomination to the puristsFits like a glove!
Yeah, cowcatchers give that impression. Please do not put a whaletail on the back!! haha
Similar tenders, but with three axle trucks were actually tried on few K4 pacifics. They dwarfed the K4.Wow, that tender just halved the total productive tractive effort of the engine! That looks like it fits to me.
On those cast Bowser boilers? Nah! Those things will pull the plaster off the walls! They are a test of patience, but if you do them right, they are very good runners and pullers.Wow, that tender just halved the total productive tractive effort of the engine! That looks like it fits to me.
I was actually wondering about that. Even on black and white pictures Santa Fe steam looks all black. I'll probably just hand brush it. This model is off anyway from the prototype pictures of real 1050s.Nice thread. Refreshing to see someone detailing steam to this level! One comment, though I hesitate to correct anyone's work: The Santa Fe Prairie: Note that the Santa Fe lagged smokeboxes and fireboxes, so the graphite on those areas would not show. Smokebox fronts got a coat of "Tarpon Gray". A little graphite may peek through here and there but isn't totally exposed. How do I know this? "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" was a big help, as was Chard Walker's "Cajon". Plus, I got scolded by a couple of avid Santa Fe modelers for my pacific. Dudes had no sense of humor!You'd have thought I painted a GG-1 in Daylight colors (which someone did once upon a time)!
I've done a few Santa Fe models. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. It actually makes painting their steamers easier. You can do the graphite with a detailing brush!
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Note the exposed graphite on the bottom edge of the firebox, and the maintenance access hatch between the stack and the sand dome.
Here's the pacific I got scolded for: I like the paint job but I could be biased here.
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I wouldn't change anything if I were you, just file this away for future reference. Most people won't know except the prototype police!![]()
I've never heard that story, but i knew it had to do something with elimination of fuel stops. It's amazing how many actual disputes were going on on a lot of railroads. Heard about Reading T1, having supposedly adjusted rear suspension to place more weight on the trailing truck; all to lessen the pay checks of Reading engineers, because on steam you got paid according to weight on the drive wheels. That same issue turned out to be a few million dollars law suit of C&O against Lima, for not providing accurate weight on drive wheels of their "Allegheny" 2-6+6-6.I'm not a huge Pennsy guy. You'd think I would be, growing up in Pittsburgh, but it didn't happen. The Rivarossi Cab Forward corrupted me! I did know one though. He told me those huge tenders got put on 2-10-0's because of a union dispute. Pennsy was having issues with the union over a fueling stop, so they stuck these huge tenders on the 2-10-0's and eliminated the fuel stop all together. Dirty pool!![]()
Yeah, and I'll eventually correct my Pacific. I have another one just like it in the "to-do" stack. I wanted a pair of them for a Santa Fe passenger train I was doing. The Santa Fe used double headed Pacifics out of Chicago because the trackage there couldn't handle their big NorthernsI was actually wondering about that. Even on black and white pictures Santa Fe steam looks all black. I'll probably just hand brush it. This model is off anyway from the prototype pictures of real 1050s.
Those were interesting times. There was also a huge dispute over the first FT's. The Union wanted a crew on each unit for a total of four crews for an ABBA lash up. Even today, you can make a ton of money working for the railroad if you know how to work the system.I've never heard that story, but i knew it had to do something with elimination of fuel stops. It's amazing how many actual disputes were going on on a lot of railroads. Heard about Reading T1, having supposedly adjusted rear suspension to place more weight on the trailing truck; all to lessen the pay checks of Reading engineers, because on steam you got paid according to weight on the drive wheels. That same issue turned out to be a few million dollars law suit of C&O against Lima, for not providing accurate weight on drive wheels of their "Allegheny" 2-6+6-6.
Would you do the firebox in black also?Yeah, and I'll eventually correct my Pacific. I have another one just like it in the "to-do" stack. I wanted a pair of them for a Santa Fe passenger train I was doing. The Santa Fe used double headed Pacifics out of Chicago because the trackage there couldn't handle their big Northerns
Yes. you'll have to double click the Northern photo to enlarge it. When you do, you'll be able to see how just a little graphite peeks out at the firebox bottom. If you want, I can grab it out of the basement and do some close ups for you.Would you do the firebox in black also?
The firebox on the 2-6-2 has no lagging, that's why i was thinking all grey.Yes. you'll have to double click the Northern photo to enlarge it. When you do, you'll be able to see how just a little graphite peeks out at the firebox bottom. If you want, I can grab it out of the basement and do some close ups for you.
A quick look in the book says you are correct. Looks like the smokeboxes were lagged but not the fireboxes. At least on some locos. The 1800 class looks lagged. Others don't. That's why you never say never in this hobby!The firebox on the 2-6-2 has no lagging, that's why i was thinking all grey.
Speaking of Daylight colors on a GG1, someone did the paint scheme on Pennsy T1...and i can't kidd myself, it looked AWESOME.Nice thread. Refreshing to see someone detailing steam to this level! One comment, though I hesitate to correct anyone's work: The Santa Fe Prairie: Note that the Santa Fe lagged smokeboxes and fireboxes, so the graphite on those areas would not show. Smokebox fronts got a coat of "Tarpon Gray". A little graphite may peek through here and there but isn't totally exposed. How do I know this? "Iron Horses of the Santa Fe Trail" was a big help, as was Chard Walker's "Cajon". Plus, I got scolded by a couple of avid Santa Fe modelers for my pacific. Dudes had no sense of humor!You'd have thought I painted a GG-1 in Daylight colors (which someone did once upon a time)!
I've done a few Santa Fe models. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. It actually makes painting their steamers easier. You can do the graphite with a detailing brush!
View attachment 255986
Note the exposed graphite on the bottom edge of the firebox, and the maintenance access hatch between the stack and the sand dome.
Here's the pacific I got scolded for: I like the paint job but I could be biased here.
View attachment 255987
I wouldn't change anything if I were you, just file this away for future reference. Most people won't know except the prototype police!![]()
Someone did the GG 1 at a prototype modelers meet years ago. The Pennsy guys all had a cow!Speaking of Daylight colors on a GG1, someone did the paint scheme on Pennsy T1...and i can't kidd myself, it looked AWESOME.
Both of those sound like something I'd like to see. I'm not above fantasy paint schemes.Speaking of Daylight colors on a GG1, someone did the paint scheme on Pennsy T1...and i can't kidd myself, it looked AWESOME.
I posted the Facebook thread to the pictures somewhere in January Running bear topic, it's burried in there among about 100 pages of jabber. Maybe you can locate it, I'll try later and repost it in my topic here, so it will be easier to find.Both of those sound like something I'd like to see. I'm not above fantasy paint schemes.
