No doubt, but since the NP and Great Northern jointly owned the C.B&Q, between Chicago and the Twin Cities, it probably depended on the paying traffic and equipment available equipment. NP and GN may have had to re-consist their flagships like the North Coast Limited and Empire Builder in the Twin Cities yards. In any case, Burlington "motors" (E-units) pulled the equipment from Chicago. The interesting thing is that some NP and some GN consists were owned by the Q, and were so marked in the upper corner of the cars, and several trainsets in Burlington stainless steel were owned by each of the other roads and so marked. Until 1969, the Interstate Commerce Commission insisted each of the three roads keep separate books, and considered them as separate railroads! Go figure...Which from what i've read, drove the Northern Pacific management absolutely nuts, since they wanted a perfectly matched set for their flagship trains.
I wasn't sure if i should give a heart or the "laughing and crying" emoji since i know the feelingsSometime back it was suggested I move other projects over here. Things that may have appeared in Coffee Shops long past. Not a bad idea actually. Thanks to whoever suggested it (I forget). Since I've moved off the trolleys because of summer and finding the recently acquired sleepers for this train which I need to have done in time for our club's open house next month, I'll move the COSF project first. There will be multiple posts. as there is a large number of photos in the project folder! It all started out with this:
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I was in what one of my dear friends and mentors called "The Accumulation Phase". New in the hobby, and knowing not much, many of us buy things because they are pretty, or neat, or just because they're there. Don't ask me what I was thinking. This was in the early 1990's, so no way I'll remember. Probably something like: "SHINY! WANT! So, it came home with me from some train show, and wound up on the shelf. I forgot about it, or at least it went to the back of my mind, in what today I call the "Why'd you buy that, dumba$$?" pile.
Some years passed and I ended up in the basement of a very influential modeler and brass collector with a large home layout. He was getting on in years, and a group of us got together and decided to help him with scenery in an effort to finish his layout. He also was an accumulator, and in addition to the layout work I ended up striking a deal with him to paint brass and be paid with brass models. Seems he had multiples of just about everything. Sound familiar? So in the process of many paint jobs. I saw this:
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I remembered that E unit and thought "Hey, it's a start!" and home it came! Mind you I had no idea what I was letting myself in for. I didn't research things in those days, knew nothing about this train, what the project was going to involve, or what it would take to finish. It was just pure euphoria. Working on a huge layout with a bunch of great guys and one of them had a huge brass collection with many "Holy Grail" models in it. I was, you might say, easily influenced! Eventually I ended up with a copy of Kratville's "Union Pacific Streamliners". This is the bible for the City trains. I started learning about things like articulated cars, and how specialized and elite these trains were, and with a little research on what models were accurate and how available they were (or weren't) figured out just how much trouble I was in. I guess I could have stopped right then and got rid of the two models, but when it comes to passenger trains, I never did have much common sense.I didn't shelve the project, but it did drop several notches down the priority list. Here and there over the years, I would pick up this car or that, and eventually got here:
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We'll stop here for now. Things to do!
Great modeling. I was wondering what temperature do you bake in and for how long. I'll be painting some brass in the near future and would appreciate some imput.So moving on...as you can see from the stack of boxes I had a pretty good start on the train. All of the "hard" cars. The articulated diner and sleeper, the club car, the baggage dorm, the obs. From here you can use stand ins if you want. At ten cars, well, eight since two are articulated, I felt I had enough to start painting the cars. First some shots of them naked:
The Diner:
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The Baggage Dorm
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You get the idea. As I've said before I had to find trucks for some of these cars which was done between private owners, swap meets, brass dealers, and a few private collectors. That was a pain! As a matter of fact, I happen to have a spare club car I never did find trucks for. I was getting discouraged and a painted club car with trucks turned up at a dealer, and I but the bullet and bought it. Frustrating, but you hit a point where you just want to move on! All cars got blasted, and a bath n the ultrasonic cleaner, as described previously. Painting them isn't really all that hard. Yellow and gray, and all straight lines. I did them in batches of three at a time. I did have to prime paint, as spraying Armour Yellow over brass didn't look right to me. All cars got a coat of Scalecoat MOW Gray first. All cars were baked between coats.
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After each batch of cars, I'd go ahead and re-assemble, decal, and test them on the layout. Brass cars can be fussy. You may have to isolate a short circuit, or fiddle with truck clearances, or coupler boxes, and especially coupler height. coupler misalignments are much more pronounced with 85 ft cars than with 40 ft freight cars! Of all the work, decaling was the tedious part. Roughly four feet of stripe per car, That wasn't too bad. It was the "City of" heralds that got interesting, especially around those upper berth windows. Remember, each decal set had one set of heralds only, so a goof here costs you ten bucks. The Kratville book was invaluable here, as there were many photos of the various cars so I could figure out where lettering went. This one was easy:
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This one not so much!
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On cars with tough window configurations, I made copies of the decal sheets to test fit the letters. Brass or even plastic models aren't always 100% prototypically correct when it comes to dimensions on things like window spacing. Compromises are made for run ability or manufacturing reasons, or the builder goofs sometimes. It always pays to check. Time to go to work! That's all for now.
200 degrees F or 98 degrees C for 90 minutes. Just below the boiling point of water.Great modeling. I was wondering what temperature do you bake in and for how long. I'll be painting some brass in the near future and would appreciate some imput.
There will be a video or two!I’ve always liked the articulated cars, very cool.
I’ll bet that’s an impressive train when it’s all together!
Much appreciated.200 degrees F or 98 degrees C for 90 minutes. Just below the boiling point of water.
Beautiful trainMorning All! Trainfest is next weekend. I'm not planning on attending, but the club is having an open house from 4:00 to 8:00 PM, and all the eye candy is coming out. As promised, there follows some photos of the finished train and a video of the COSF being tested on the layout last Thursday. With two new cars in the consist, I wanted to be sure everything would behave. It's also club policy to test everything before open house. People come to see the trains run, not people fiddling with balky locos or rolling stock.I had also installed close couplers on the E units for better appearance. all trucks were lubed, and the test was flawless. The only regret I have with this train is there are no correct full width diaphragms with the correct colors to match the car sides. They are unobtanium. I had to settle for what I could get which was either yellow or gray.
Oh well! I toyed with the idea of using American Limited plastic ones and painting them, but alas, they are too fragile for transport back and forth to the club, even in those damnably expensive foam lined boxes. Maybe some day. Until then, she'll do. These trains are why I joined a club and gave up a home layout. As can be seen in the photos this is a long train, roughly seventeen feet. It's on the only siding on the railroad long enough to hold it. It takes all three of those E units to pull it. Definitely a labor of love. Or maybe insanity, depending on your perspective.
Enjoy, and if any of you are in the Milwaukee area for Trainfest, do swing by!
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Yeah HO is the same. Paper insulators. I never shorted a driver pair, but I've read where guys have applied DC voltage across the driver center and tire until the short was burned out. You can also remove the tire by baking the set and pressing the tire off the center and replacing the insulator or just drying out the oil. The occasional metallic short will burn out with enough voltage.Alan, I had an Oriental Limited C2 in N scale. It ran well, until I made the mistake of lubing the side rods. The insulation between the wheel and tire on the off-power side was thin paper, and as soon as the paper got a drop of oil on it, it shorted.
Just an FYI, in case this one is the same way.
Sorry I missed the open house. That is a gorgeous train!Morning All! Trainfest is next weekend. I'm not planning on attending, but the club is having an open house from 4:00 to 8:00 PM, and all the eye candy is coming out. As promised, there follows some photos of the finished train and a video of the COSF being tested on the layout last Thursday. With two new cars in the consist, I wanted to be sure everything would behave. It's also club policy to test everything before open house. People come to see the trains run, not people fiddling with balky locos or rolling stock.I had also installed close couplers on the E units for better appearance. all trucks were lubed, and the test was flawless. The only regret I have with this train is there are no correct full width diaphragms with the correct colors to match the car sides. They are unobtanium. I had to settle for what I could get which was either yellow or gray.
Oh well! I toyed with the idea of using American Limited plastic ones and painting them, but alas, they are too fragile for transport back and forth to the club, even in those damnably expensive foam lined boxes. Maybe some day. Until then, she'll do. These trains are why I joined a club and gave up a home layout. As can be seen in the photos this is a long train, roughly seventeen feet. It's on the only siding on the railroad long enough to hold it. It takes all three of those E units to pull it. Definitely a labor of love. Or maybe insanity, depending on your perspective.
Enjoy, and if any of you are in the Milwaukee area for Trainfest, do swing by!
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