Espeefan's Passenger Car Modeling

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Well she's had her bath and rinse, her blow dry, and is now sitting for a day to let any residual water that may be hiding dry out. This is very necessary. Guess how I know! 🤣 I'll start with Scalecoat Detail Black tomorrow. For a preview, here's where we're going:

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Looking pretty decent for 51 years old!
 
Did the blasting this morning. Now it's out and will go into the Ultrasonic cleaner for a few minutes. Some painters leave the old clear coat in place. I used to many years ago, but any paint job is only as good as it's first coat and I don't feel good about doing all this work and applying fresh paint over a decades old clear coat. Note the satin finish of the parts. This removes contaminates and gives a profile for the paint to adhere to. View attachment 207747

Note I didn't blast the drivers. I have done this before but there are two dangers: 1: You'll damage the chrome plating on the driver tires. 2: You'll force grit between the bearings and the axles which is not a good thing. It isn't a fatal error but is a real pain where the sun doesn't shine to get cleaned out. Because the blaster operates at high pressure (80-100 PSI) some grit will get where you don't want it no matter how careful you mask. Bottom line, just don't!

I got the tender floor repaired using the soldering tweezers. Note that when using resistance gear everything must be clean, clean, CLEAN! Did I say clean? 😁 So I fixed this assembly after blasting. Luckily there was a channel in the toolbox casting where the rail fit right in, so I didn't have to build a jig. I soldered from both sides at three locations. You need to use paste flux, heat the assembly, and let the solder melt and wick into the joint, just like with copper piping. I had to remove a little excess with a file because of the way the floor fits to the body.

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A little bath in some lacquer thinner to remove that excess flux befor the ultrasonic cleaner. Then we allow a day to dry, and we paint
Just a super explanation. Brings back good and bad memories of painting brass in the 70’s and 80’s.

Super job, can’t wait for the next phase
 


Evening all! The last couple of days I've been wrestling with a pretty wicked chest cold. Got it from the grandkids (the only down side of having them!) the wife and I and their aunt all got clobbered, and with the wife and I immuno-suppressed, well, safe to say, it ain't no fun! As a result, I didn't much feel like painting or breathing the associated fumes (even with a respirator). I did get her done though!

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Up in the background there is a "while you wait" project. A Christmas present. One of the Wally SP 83-C-2 long distance coaches. It got a resistor for the layout signaling system, and will get passengers and window shades. I also got about half a dozen freight cars weathered, and now I need to paint up some wheelsets. I buy Intermountain wheels in bulk and keep a couple dozen sets painted weathered black. That way with new cars I just swap out shiny wheels for painted ones and paint the trucks. Found a couple of the Tangent SP Boxcars at Hiawatha Hobbies and snagged those. Basic weathering consists of wheels and trucks getting painted, then the car getting flat coated. I still have a stash of Testor's Dullcote, and in one bottle I added a squirt of Floquil Dust. Shoot that on and it's a twofer. Flat and a dust wash at the same time. Stinks, but it's effective! From there, I'll see what each car gets on top of that.

But, I digress! Next on the Loco, I have to clean the wheel treads and slots in the frame. I can then re-assemble the mechanism. The smokebox and firebox have to be masked for painting as well but believe it or not we're about halfway there!

Happy new year everyone. No modeling tomorrow. Got to take down decorations and the tree and stow everything for another year. Man that went by fast!
 
Hello troops! After a long break I'm back with more stuff to share! My long awaited Rapido SP 3/4 dome showed up at the LHS. I've been waiting for this one for a long time. I have a brass one. A very nice (for the time) Coach Yard model that I paid some $350.00 for many years ago. it started life as an unpainted nickel-plated car with no interior. It ended up in Armour yellow for my Overland train. I had to scratch build an interior, and the windows were an experience in patience:
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I wanted one in Daylight for my San Joaquin Daylight train. I have photos of it behind steam. I had originally painted the above car in Daylight, but the gremlins got a hold of it and a mishap destroyed the paint job. You'll find those photos earlier in this thread. I decided to repurpose it and put it in the Overland, and I ordered a Rapido model. It showed up this week, and I beat feet over to the LHS to grab it. It looked so nice I asked if they had ordered any others, and they did. I looked at the General Service scheme and decided WTH and grabbed it too. Isn't impulse buying fun? 🤣 I wanted something for my Bloody nose PA's, a train with lots of the General Service paint scheme to pull. Rapido did a beautiful job on them. Behold:

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They are beautifully done. These photos don't do them justice, but there is one problem. All that glass, those beautiful interiors, and no people! Needless to say, I had to do something about that. I started by looking over the construction, and thought maybe the dome would come off, but no, and there is a lighting strip there I didn't want to damage. I then looked over the bottom, but it is held very tightly in place. At this point I chickened out. Sometimes it's best to admit you have no idea what you're doing and ask for help, so I did. I e-mailed Rapido and asked about opening the car, as there was nothing in the instructions. The parts diagram shows parts, but no clue on assembly. Within a day a nice guy named Alex sent me a four page PDF that he generated showing how do open it up, along with what he broke or knocked loose in the process.

Yes, they are a bit fragile, as any model in plastic detailed to this level is going to be. The long and short of it is to insert business cards or toothpicks between the chassis and the body shell, then gently pry the chassis up and out, alternating the screwdriver from side to side. I used round toothpicks. Watch the ends, as the skirting there will make some wiggling necessary. One end will be a little looser than the other. Grab that end by the truck and lift the chassis free. If you grab underbody detail, you'll break things. Guess how I know! In the lower area where the bar is, there are two interior walls. One or both will come loose during the process. These walls are brass, and very thin. Use canopy glue to reattach them. There are also a pair of springs in channels at the bar area that transmit power to the overhead lighting. They can go flying! It was actually pretty easy. Not as hard as getting the roof off of a new Walthers car! Here are the interiors populated. Note the silver car's interior has "Overland" seating. Part lounge, and dome seats (second photo). The top photo is "Shasta" seating, all lounge. In the Overland configuration all figures became double amputees to fit in the seats. In the Shasta configuration, figures fit well. I did nip the shoes off of most of the figures in the outward facing seats for clearance. I used the more expensive Preiser figures in these instead of my usual cheap Chinese figures. They are very visible, and the quality difference is obvious. Replacing the shells was as Alex said, anticlimactic. they just slide down, a little gentle pressure and they pop right back on.

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Last thing: The cars are lit, as discussed above. This lighting is the best I've seen in a model from the factory. Most passenger car lighting kits are far too bright, like bare arc lights in the car. The HO figures are burning to death! 🤣 Rapido did much better with these. The lighting is subtle, and IMHO, very prototypical! In both photos below the car lights are on. This is how it should be done!

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Can't wait to get them in trains!
 


Hello troops! After a long break I'm back with more stuff to share! My long awaited Rapido SP 3/4 dome showed up at the LHS. I've been waiting for this one for a long time. I have a brass one. A very nice (for the time) Coach Yard model that I paid some $350.00 for many years ago. it started life as an unpainted nickel-plated car with no interior. It ended up in Armour yellow for my Overland train. I had to scratch build an interior, and the windows were an experience in patience:
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I wanted one in Daylight for my San Joaquin Daylight train. I have photos of it behind steam. I had originally painted the above car in Daylight, but the gremlins got a hold of it and a mishap destroyed the paint job. You'll find those photos earlier in this thread. I decided to repurpose it and put it in the Overland, and I ordered a Rapido model. It showed up this week, and I beat feet over to the LHS to grab it. It looked so nice I asked if they had ordered any others, and they did. I looked at the General Service scheme and decided WTH and grabbed it too. Isn't impulse buying fun? 🤣 I wanted something for my Bloody nose PA's, a train with lots of the General Service paint scheme to pull. Rapido did a beautiful job on them. Behold:

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They are beautifully done. These photos don't do them justice, but there is one problem. All that glass, those beautiful interiors, and no people! Needless to say, I had to do something about that. I started by looking over the construction, and thought maybe the dome would come off, but no, and there is a lighting strip there I didn't want to damage. I then looked over the bottom, but it is held very tightly in place. At this point I chickened out. Sometimes it's best to admit you have no idea what you're doing and ask for help, so I did. I e-mailed Rapido and asked about opening the car, as there was nothing in the instructions. The parts diagram shows parts, but no clue on assembly. Within a day a nice guy named Alex sent me a four page PDF that he generated showing how do open it up, along with what he broke or knocked loose in the process.

Yes, they are a bit fragile, as any model in plastic detailed to this level is going to be. The long and short of it is to insert business cards or toothpicks between the chassis and the body shell, then gently pry the chassis up and out, alternating the screwdriver from side to side. I used round toothpicks. Watch the ends, as the skirting there will make some wiggling necessary. One end will be a little looser than the other. Grab that end by the truck and lift the chassis free. If you grab underbody detail, you'll break things. Guess how I know! In the lower area where the bar is, there are two interior walls. One or both will come loose during the process. These walls are brass, and very thin. Use canopy glue to reattach them. There are also a pair of springs in channels at the bar area that transmit power to the overhead lighting. They can go flying! It was actually pretty easy. Not as hard as getting the roof off of a new Walthers car! Here are the interiors populated. Note the silver car's interior has "Overland" seating. Part lounge, and dome seats (second photo). The top photo is "Shasta" seating, all lounge. In the Overland configuration all figures became double amputees to fit in the seats. In the Shasta configuration, figures fit well. I did nip the shoes off of most of the figures in the outward facing seats for clearance. I used the more expensive Preiser figures in these instead of my usual cheap Chinese figures. They are very visible, and the quality difference is obvious. Replacing the shells was as Alex said, anticlimactic. they just slide down, a little gentle pressure and they pop right back on.

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Last thing: The cars are lit, as discussed above. This lighting is the best I've seen in a model from the factory. Most passenger car lighting kits are far too bright, like bare arc lights in the car. The HO figures are burning to death! 🤣 Rapido did much better with these. The lighting is subtle, and IMHO, very prototypical! In both photos below the car lights are on. This is how it should be done!

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Can't wait to get them in trains!
That glass on the domes is absolutely beautiful. This looks better than any factory vista dome.
 
That glass on the domes is absolutely beautiful. This looks better than any factory vista dome.
The only one I can claim is the yellow one! I'm told the Rapido cars have the proper tint as SP historians and modelers assisted in the model's development. I sprayed clear .005 styrene with a mix of 50/50 Tamiya clear green and clear blue. I cut a long piece that conforms to the car's interior and is held in place by the floor mounting rails. Tension holds it in place. The six little end windows were the result of much patience, impatience, and about $3500.00 in the swear jar! 🤣
 
The only one I can claim is the yellow one! I'm told the Rapido cars have the proper tint as SP historians and modelers assisted in the model's development. I sprayed clear .005 styrene with a mix of 50/50 Tamiya clear green and clear blue. I cut a long piece that conforms to the car's interior and is held in place by the floor mounting rails. Tension holds it in place. The six little end windows were the result of much patience, impatience, and about $3500.00 in the swear jar! 🤣
And i thought i was fluent in Garage Latin😃
 
Here we go with more projects! That General service Rapido Dome? Well on examination, I thought I might make up a later Overland with more modern cars. A few yellow ones but more silver with red stripe, so I picked up a couple of those. They are getting resistors, window shades, passengers, decals, and I have to drill for grabs. Yep, they're that old. Old enough to have the plastic couplers and horn hooks in the boxes. Sheesh! Oh well, we all have our crosses to bear! They're coming along! Shades and resistors are in. People next!

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I've also picked up a few other project cars. I need to just stay off of e-Bay! I get in trouble every time I go there! I picked this up. All I did was install diaphragms, and paint the trucks and wheels weathered black, and it's ready to go.

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You've seen this one before:
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Well it seems there were like 6 or 7 cars like the upper one for every one of the lower one. That's how my luck runs. :) I may look for a few more, or I may try cutting and splicing. The first car has 2-4 ft doors per side, the second phot has 1-4 ft door and 1-7 ft door due to the changing needs of the express business. I'll make it work somehow. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Other cars getting done in this batch:

A Cotton Belt 60-C-15-1. A coach with a 15 ft RPO compartment. Perfect for mixed train service. This was also a Jim Crow car with two seating compartments inside.
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I'll also be doing the Oliver Millet. A 77 ft lounge car used in the Del Monte.

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They'll all be getting interiors. There's one more on the way, an arched roof ice air-conditioned coach. Photos when it turns up. The lounge will get the Two Tone Gray scheme. Everything else will get SP's Coach Olive with black roof and underbody. Might as well use the last of the warm weather up here for some painting!
 
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This last car showed up, today. It's an ice air conditioned coach. Note the lack of roof globe vents. Back in the day before Waukesha Air conditioning if you wanted AC in a car Pullman was the only game in town. You paid them a royalty for their patent, or opened the vents and dealt with it. An interim solution was ice air conditioning. Put some ice boxes under the car, pump the cold water from the melting ice through a sort of heat exchanger, and you got cold air. As long as you kept the ice boxes full. These models are a bit hard to come by, but her we are! I grabbed it for not much more than the price of a new Walthers Proto passenger car. I'll be putting it in my Del Monte. The Del Monte was a commute train of sorts. It ran from San Jose to Pacific Grove and lasted all the way to 1971. It seems the clientele were rather wealthy and had enough clout to keep it going in spite of declining ridership. It took Amtrak to kill it! I found a photo circa 1946 or so of the train behind a Pacific with five cars. Baggage, News agent coach, coach, Ice AC coach, and a lounge (Oliver Millet). A nice small layout train, short enough for a pacific to pull without issues. I'll be a bit busy the next couple of weeks but expect to see these cars getting painted and detailed, interiors and passengers. 😁

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Afternoon folks! After a nice vacation down south to see family we're all back just in time for some cold weather to hit and fall to announce its presence. I picked up a couple of pounds during the visit as everyone wanted to either cook for us or take us out to diner, or we had restaurants we like to visit, so the whole thing was basically eating until you explode!

So before I get started slinging paint I have a small project. I'm usually on the prowl to upgrade my trains when I can, and I recently came across a really nice RPO Baggage car that will upgrade the existing RPO Baggage for my San Joaquin Daylight. The existing car is an old SOHO, it fills the space, but is rather plain in the detail department. I saw a much nicer Precision Scale car pop up on e-Bay, and got it for just one bid!.

The Old:
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The New:
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As you can see, it's a much better model. Note the difference especially the doors and windows, and the underbody has full detail. Roof detail and lettering is better as well.

Like many models, this one got bought and stored away in someone's closet. When I opened the box, I saw it had never seen track. No couplers, and the hardware was all still in the little bag. That was a blessing at least! No scrounging for screws! I need to run this one at the club next Saturday at our "Friends and Family" open house. We do that once a year in addition to the Trainfest open house to give the guys a little additional show off time, and to run their stuff without having to worry about visitors. It's much more relaxed! Onward! To get this one ready, a couple of things had to happen:

First, couplers. No draft gear boxes, so Kadee everything. Good old number 5 couplers were installed. I don't bother with scale heads on passenger cars. You can't see them anyway, and the larger head gives you some leeway with vertical curves if you encounter any. I put them in standard Kadee draft gear boxes and glued the boxes together so they would be easier to mount without parts going everywhere. It gets a little interesting with all that detail. The steam and signal lines need to be gently bent out of the way, and you have to tease the coupler assemblies into place. Then you have to play "find the screw holes". With the trucks giving slight interference it's only moderately frustrating!
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Then, of course, check with the Kadee gauge. I keep two of these on hand, but one has temporarily disappeared, so needing couplers anyway, I picked up a new one. They're plastic now, which is cheaper, but you can use them on live track without fireworks. Win some lose some!
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Both couplers matched up with the gauge on the first try. That's rare, and in the brass car business you need to keep a variety of couplers on hand. Overset and underset couplers are sometimes needed, sometimes both at once! Note that I shorten the trip pins. They are a nuisance as we don't use uncoupling ramps.

Next up are diaphragms. Precision Scale use a crappy (IMHO) design consisting of a sprung framework and Walthers paper bellows.
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I removed these as they don't look right, and operate poorly if at all. Fortunately they weren't soldered in and I was able to gently pry them loose without bending anything or damaging paint. Not all is lost here. I'll save the paper bellows and use them with a pair of the six different types of striker plates you get with the Coach Yard diaphragms.
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Thise PSC units leave three big ugly holes in teh car ends. Luckily, the Coach Yard parts will cover them nicely.
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I painted a pair of Coach Yards yesterday with Scalecoat Daylight Red. I didn't want to bake these. They are mostly metal but I didn't want to take a chance on damaging them, so I let them dry for 30 hours or so. Note they are not black as the factory units are. Company painters got lazy, and nobody paid much attention here, so everything tended to get sprayed one color. I'll eventually touch up the striker plate with some rust. Paint on striker plates didn't last long!
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These come with four mounting pins. One of these days I need to fabricate a jig so I can drill for the pins, but this time I'm cutting the two top pins off and leaving the bottom ones as they fit in those holes on the car which helps with centering. To mount them I use Canopy glue. it's forgiving and remarkably strong. It's what Walthers Goo should have been. I use it for reattaching detail, and many other things. It's very versatile. I apply it to the parts, then let it start to cure. After 5 minutes, I mount the parts. You have a little bit of room to move things around if necessary.

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Once the glue has begun to set, I attach the parts and let them dry. The glue dries clear, is water soluble, and the joint is surprisingly strong.
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Two things left to do. Paint the wheel faces black, and install resistors, and she's ready to go!
 
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All done! Wheel faces brush painted with Tamiya flat black, and 10k Ohm surface mount resistors mounted, one on one axle of each truck. This requires roughing the axle and the wheel inboard face with a file, then using "wire glue", a sticky graphite compound that is electrically conductive to stick the resistors to the axle bypassing the insulating bushing. A coat of ACC over each resistor will reinforce the joints. The layout signaling system will now be able to "see" the car.
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That seems a bit low? Any specific reason you choose that value. I (well we at the museum) use between 4.7K and 10K for axles. Plus only have 1 per car not per truck.
It was a type-o. The resistors are 10 k ohm. One resistor per truck is what the club standards committee wanted, so ours is not to reason why… 🙂
 




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