HOexplorer
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Thanks guys. If that old man was me I would have put an elevator in. Jim
Building the Pinnacle Creek Mining & Timber Co. RR
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Mike
Thanks....I put them in blue foam when I am completed with one, and I set them in my layout room. My bench is in my garage, which isn't as insulated as the old homestead. Where I live, it is very, very moist air, usually very rainy for 7 months a year. I hope they don't dry out. I will keep you posted.
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Railrunner130
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That dock scene is very inspiring! Thank you for sharing it!
Now to figure out where/how to incorporate it....
Now to figure out where/how to incorporate it....
HOexplorer
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Railrunner130, You're welcome.
Next up is the final pour on the water scene. I made four pours of WS Realistic Water, any water will do of course. Now you see the Modge Podge layer of water. Modge Podge is simple to use. Just pour it on and after about and hour I make 'waves' and ripples. What you see in the photo is after 24 hours of drying. It goes on white but clears somewhat after drying.
Also, in the photo you can see rivets in the tipple. Under the tipple you can see minor ripples. Underneath I applied the Modge Podge with a teaspoon. On the dock I've added some used oil drums. Looking at the scenery you can see a finished job on the the land. Scenery in the front of the layout takes a long time. I look at the layout area each day and a day seldom goes by where some bush or tree is not added. See the floating oil drum and seaweed? These things help out the over all effect of your scene. Jim
Next up is the final pour on the water scene. I made four pours of WS Realistic Water, any water will do of course. Now you see the Modge Podge layer of water. Modge Podge is simple to use. Just pour it on and after about and hour I make 'waves' and ripples. What you see in the photo is after 24 hours of drying. It goes on white but clears somewhat after drying.
Also, in the photo you can see rivets in the tipple. Under the tipple you can see minor ripples. Underneath I applied the Modge Podge with a teaspoon. On the dock I've added some used oil drums. Looking at the scenery you can see a finished job on the the land. Scenery in the front of the layout takes a long time. I look at the layout area each day and a day seldom goes by where some bush or tree is not added. See the floating oil drum and seaweed? These things help out the over all effect of your scene. Jim
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North Coast Railroad
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Great job.
HOexplorer
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Devin and Rybcon, Thank you for the comments.
Rybcon, Hard to say. This scene is just to the right of my workdesk which looks like the aftermath of those 50's A-bomb photos all the time. Controlled chaos. So when I glance at this scene it does indeed look as good as the photo. For someone else who just walked into the layout room? Well they always end up in my chair for a closer peek at this scene and spend some time there.
About photography. The photos you see in these photos are as you and I see them. I don't have Photoshop, not smart enough to learn it. I do have a ten year $19 program that allows minimal coloring and cropping. Very seldom do I retouch a photo other than cropping. My layout room is a small 11'x10' bedroom. When we moved in I had a skylight put in the ceiling. It is one of the tube types. I have a window mostly covered by the backdrop. For lighting effects I use my desk lamp and the light through the skylight. So by varying the light from the desk lamp and sometimes covering the skylight a bit I get the correct lighting and coloring in my photos.
I use a Canon A650 with the tiltout view finder. This is the key feature for me. Like most photographers that think they know something, each picture you see may have be shot four or five times. The result is that one photo I may share on this site. Digital photos are free so no reason not to take a bunch and pick the best. Jim
Rybcon, Hard to say. This scene is just to the right of my workdesk which looks like the aftermath of those 50's A-bomb photos all the time. Controlled chaos. So when I glance at this scene it does indeed look as good as the photo. For someone else who just walked into the layout room? Well they always end up in my chair for a closer peek at this scene and spend some time there.
About photography. The photos you see in these photos are as you and I see them. I don't have Photoshop, not smart enough to learn it. I do have a ten year $19 program that allows minimal coloring and cropping. Very seldom do I retouch a photo other than cropping. My layout room is a small 11'x10' bedroom. When we moved in I had a skylight put in the ceiling. It is one of the tube types. I have a window mostly covered by the backdrop. For lighting effects I use my desk lamp and the light through the skylight. So by varying the light from the desk lamp and sometimes covering the skylight a bit I get the correct lighting and coloring in my photos.
I use a Canon A650 with the tiltout view finder. This is the key feature for me. Like most photographers that think they know something, each picture you see may have be shot four or five times. The result is that one photo I may share on this site. Digital photos are free so no reason not to take a bunch and pick the best. Jim
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HOexplorer
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Mike, Don't know how to slow down. Besides senior softball I don't have a lot to do. Keep on pluggin'. Jim CM&T
Cjcrescent
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Did that Modge Podge dry clear, or does it still have that milky color?
Fantastic work by the way!
Fantastic work by the way!
HOexplorer
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Carey, Except for the taller waves the lower areas of water have dried 90% clear. The idea of using Modge Podge in the first place is to 'dull' down the unrealistic results of Magic Water or two-part mixtures. None of us have ever seen perfectly clear, static, non-rippled water in real life I'm thinking. We see it all the time on layouts. Modge Podge dries with a slight haze to it. You can still see the bottom and I think it looks more convincing.
This kind of 'perfect' water doesn't pass muster with me. Everything I try to do in modelrailroading is to make everthing as 'real' as I can. I don't have issue with modelers that have those perfect lakes, ponds, and in some case rivers and streams. Many modelers have a hard time "seeing" reality so modeling it is difficult.
I post my photos so folks can learn or ignore if they wish. It's all good which ever way one does their modeling. I will post the 48 hour drying photo tomorrow. Jim
PS: I should mention that Magic Water, two part water, will look realistic withoutthe use of Modge Podge. If you make your ripples and waves at the correct time in the drying cycle it should come out great. I simply like the Modge Podge "look."
This kind of 'perfect' water doesn't pass muster with me. Everything I try to do in modelrailroading is to make everthing as 'real' as I can. I don't have issue with modelers that have those perfect lakes, ponds, and in some case rivers and streams. Many modelers have a hard time "seeing" reality so modeling it is difficult.
I post my photos so folks can learn or ignore if they wish. It's all good which ever way one does their modeling. I will post the 48 hour drying photo tomorrow. Jim
PS: I should mention that Magic Water, two part water, will look realistic withoutthe use of Modge Podge. If you make your ripples and waves at the correct time in the drying cycle it should come out great. I simply like the Modge Podge "look."
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HOexplorer
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Mike, That's a good one! How long did that take you to find? I've actually climbed the white mountain in the background. It may be Mt. Victoria I'm not sure anymore. So long ago now. I'm still going to keep using ripples. Jim
Fifer
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Mike, That's a good one! How long did that take you to find? I've actually climbed the white mountain in the background. It may be Mt. Victoria I'm not sure anymore. So long ago now. I'm still going to keep using ripples. Jim
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Mike
HOexplorer
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True Mike. lol
Below is a photo of the finished ore tipple and the 24 hour drying result of the Modge Podge. The tipple now has nuts and bolts to hold it together. If you look at the clear parts of the 'water' you can see the what the final result of MP will look like when finally all dried and cured. It will take about a week for the MP to look completely translucent. Look close and you may find some seagulls here and there.
While the water and the ore tipple may be the focal point here I would direct your attention to the right side of the photo. Vegitation and ground covers (8 layers). This is what the PM&T Co. RR is all about. Enjoy, Jim
Below is a photo of the finished ore tipple and the 24 hour drying result of the Modge Podge. The tipple now has nuts and bolts to hold it together. If you look at the clear parts of the 'water' you can see the what the final result of MP will look like when finally all dried and cured. It will take about a week for the MP to look completely translucent. Look close and you may find some seagulls here and there.
While the water and the ore tipple may be the focal point here I would direct your attention to the right side of the photo. Vegitation and ground covers (8 layers). This is what the PM&T Co. RR is all about. Enjoy, Jim
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North Coast Railroad
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I really like the MP effect on the water. It really gives a great look. It reminds me off the bay I live on, I can almost feel the breeze coming off the water, and hear it lapping up on the piers and shore. I plan on modeling a river and a small segment of some bay front running my prototype did. Thanks for supplying some great examples. I have made 8 caspia trees so far...my first few came out good, my last few came out great. Thanks for supplying the tutorial. It gives me pleasure to create these while I am still planning my layout.
HOexplorer
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Devin thank you. A word about Caspia trees. I think after you get satisfied with making these that my best advice is to stop making them. With time, 4-5 months, I've noticed that the branches get pretty brittle and it takes only an elbow reaching on to the layout to break a branch. I think you should find a piece of hard foam, makes some holes and plant your trees for now. Put them where they will NOT be bothered and work on the layout.
I've never used Caspia before, but what I read gave no hint that these tend to dry out. Living in Santee is much drier than where you live I think and that may have something to do with it. I read somewhere, that if you dip your dried plants (Caspia, Super Trees, etc.) in glycerin and hang them out to dry that they will stay fresh. I've never done it, but I wish I had done now. You may want to check that out or maybe someone will fill us in here. Jim
I've never used Caspia before, but what I read gave no hint that these tend to dry out. Living in Santee is much drier than where you live I think and that may have something to do with it. I read somewhere, that if you dip your dried plants (Caspia, Super Trees, etc.) in glycerin and hang them out to dry that they will stay fresh. I've never done it, but I wish I had done now. You may want to check that out or maybe someone will fill us in here. Jim
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North Coast Railroad
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Devin thank you. A word about Caspia trees. I think after you get satisfied with making these that my best advice is to stop making them. With time, 4-5 months, I've noticed that the branches get pretty brittle and it takes only an elbow reaching on to the layout to break a branch. I think you should find a piece of hard foam, makes some holes and plant your trees for now. Put them where they will NOT be bothered and work on the layout.
I've never used Caspia before, but what I read gave no hint that these tend to dry out. Living in Santee is much drier than where you live I think and that may have something to do with it. I read somewhere, that if you dip your dried plants (Caspia, Super Trees, etc.) in glycerin and hang them out to dry that they will stay fresh. I've never done it, but I wish I had done now. You may want to check that out or maybe someone will fill us in here. Jim
Thanks....I put them in blue foam when I am completed with one, and I set them in my layout room. My bench is in my garage, which isn't as insulated as the old homestead. Where I live, it is very, very moist air, usually very rainy for 7 months a year. I hope they don't dry out. I will keep you posted.
HOexplorer
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Here is the Modge Podge water after 4 days of drying. Still a little milkiness but from past experience that will go away and give me the result I'm looking for. (Hopefully)
I just got the dock crane in the mail today. I will put it together, weather it, put in on the dock. Then this scene is done. Although the Modge Podge is not quite dry if you look near the pier you can see how the original acrylic painted wood surface now looks 15 feet under water. Illusion of course. This water is less that 3/8" deep. The darker blue is coming out well. If one is careful with the paint job on the wood the final scene will look convincing. The second photo shows this scene before the Modge Podge application. I thought Mike would like to see it! One plus with using WS Realistic Water is it dries with slight swirls and imperfections that actually give it the name "Realistic Water." Look closely. See them? Look at the reflections of the trees. I have not found these swirls in pours of Magic Water or two part 'waters'. Personally I think the MP over any of these water products is better. imho.
Remember I'm modeling a salt water inlet so waves are a natural in this scene. Jim
I just got the dock crane in the mail today. I will put it together, weather it, put in on the dock. Then this scene is done. Although the Modge Podge is not quite dry if you look near the pier you can see how the original acrylic painted wood surface now looks 15 feet under water. Illusion of course. This water is less that 3/8" deep. The darker blue is coming out well. If one is careful with the paint job on the wood the final scene will look convincing. The second photo shows this scene before the Modge Podge application. I thought Mike would like to see it! One plus with using WS Realistic Water is it dries with slight swirls and imperfections that actually give it the name "Realistic Water." Look closely. See them? Look at the reflections of the trees. I have not found these swirls in pours of Magic Water or two part 'waters'. Personally I think the MP over any of these water products is better. imho.
Remember I'm modeling a salt water inlet so waves are a natural in this scene. Jim
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HOexplorer
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Back to the right side of the PM&T we have a photo of the lower mine. It is the only "kit" I bought for buildings on the layout.
As you can probably tell this a a resin kit. I think it was called the Lucky Jack Mine Kit. I got it off epay for about $30. As money is scarce around here this kit and a through truss plastic bridge are the only purchased pre-built items. All the rest is hand made. Even in the scene above you can see the 'wood' structures I've built.
About Resin Kits. I like them. I think they can be more convincing (look real) than mine do if someone who can really paint finishes them. If you can't paint worth a lick then resin kits may not be for you.
Finally the layout is nearing completion. I have an NMRA open house on April 14, so I have to finish this and get it running. I will be the only layout on display that day here in the San Diego Region. I'm not a member, but I've done scenery clinics for the NMRA when asked. And, yes, they asked me if I would show this layout. I'm not an "association" kind of guy, but I'm always willing lend a hand.
Anyway, up next will be Laser Kits, followed by scratch building and then a series on the bridges of the PM&T. Jim
As you can probably tell this a a resin kit. I think it was called the Lucky Jack Mine Kit. I got it off epay for about $30. As money is scarce around here this kit and a through truss plastic bridge are the only purchased pre-built items. All the rest is hand made. Even in the scene above you can see the 'wood' structures I've built.
About Resin Kits. I like them. I think they can be more convincing (look real) than mine do if someone who can really paint finishes them. If you can't paint worth a lick then resin kits may not be for you.
Finally the layout is nearing completion. I have an NMRA open house on April 14, so I have to finish this and get it running. I will be the only layout on display that day here in the San Diego Region. I'm not a member, but I've done scenery clinics for the NMRA when asked. And, yes, they asked me if I would show this layout. I'm not an "association" kind of guy, but I'm always willing lend a hand.
Anyway, up next will be Laser Kits, followed by scratch building and then a series on the bridges of the PM&T. Jim
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