Turnout quality

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AllenB

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I posted about rolling stock quality and got some great input. Same type of question but with turnouts....I'm almost to a point of laying track and looking at different turnouts for HO DCC. I'm 99% sure I'm staying away from Atlas. My layout will require at least 12-14 turn outs so I'm trying to keep cost down but at the same time get a quality product (BA-HAHAHA). :D So how would you rate turnouts in order from best to worst?

Thanks!

Side note...I'm leaning toward Shinohara. And may be buying used...BUT..I think their old stuff have "live frogs" and may not work unless I need to modify.
 
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In my opinion I think Atlas turnouts are up to par for my layout. I dont buy the cheapo's tho. I go with the custom line turnouts (they dont have rivets on the switch points) and they work great for me. I just ordered another load of em yesterday from ebay, #6 n #8's for $15 a piece. I use under table switch machines and am in the process of going DCC, so cant specifically comment on that, but for DC so far they are great...
 
Between Atlas and Shinohara, I don't think you're going to find anything else that will be much better. You will always have to tweak them from time to time, just like the prototype.
 


If I don't use my own handlaid turnouts, I use Peco Code 83 Streamline DCC-friendly turnouts. I use their #6 exclusively in my yard. There isn't a long steamer or passenger car on my road that won't wind nicely through those turnouts.
 
I like PECO much better than Atlas but handlaid with a powered frog are the best. If you don't wish to do them yourself they can be bought from:
http://www.railwayeng.com/
and a few other places.

For any turnout it is important to ensure that all the wheels on your engines and cars are 'in gauge'.
 
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I dont use anything less than #6 turnouts on my layout as I only have a few 4 axle geeps n the rest are 6 axle SD's n Dash 8's n most of my rolling stock is 60' plus (grain cars, intermodal)...I think #4 turnouts are for use in a pinch in a yard maybe or a backtrack somewhere...to unrealistic for lots of use...
 
OK, quick answer... there is no quick answer. I have Atlas, Peco and Shinohara turnouts on my layout. The advantage to Atlas is that you can get them into operation fairly quickly, if you don't mind the quickly attached switch machines on top of the board. (There are under-the-board attachments for Atlas switch machines.) Atlas also have the advantage of not having to mess with wiring if you don't care about having directional powering of the two routes. Atlas #4's are really #4-1/2's. I have had some problems with the Mark IV #4 points not being in gauge on the diverging route. Disconnecting the metal point from the plastic throwbar and using a flat Swiss needle file on the back side to remove metal further toward the pivot, and then reconnecting the point and bending the point until it passes an NMRA track gauge, solves the problem. Don't seem to have it on the #6's and #8's.

You don't have this problem and have a more realistic-looking turnout with Peco and with Shinohara turnouts, but they require separate switch machines. The Peco turnouts have the advantage of permitting manual operation, as they have a snap spring that holds the points in one position or the other. I have found some problems with the Peco switch machines not throwing the points readily, and you can't just remove the turnout throwover spring, since the Peco switch machines don't have any positive holdover on their own. I haven't used them myself, but I would suspect Tortose switch machines would work fine with the Pecos after the little throwover springs are removed. Peco's come with a choice of either InsulFrog (insulated frog) or ElectroFrog (frog connected to the other rails. This has the advantage of having power to the individual route selected by the points, though you may want to use accessory contacts on a switch machine to insure good power feed. Shinohara turnouts do not hold their position without an external means to do so, either a mechanical ground throw, or a switch machine.

As I've said, I use all three in various places on my 14' x 14' layout, depending on what I had on hand from my previous layout and what the geometry dictated. I've also used Kemtron and Tenshodo/Sinohara switch machines. (The latter are very positive in action, if you don't mind the solid CHUNK! when they actuate.) I'm not even sure these are made anymore, but I've had them on hand, and bought nine of them "surplus" on e-bay.

Hope this helps.
 
I himmed and hawwed about this same subject for about a month this fall when I started the design of my new layout. I was between Peco and Atlas.

For me, I havent had much bad luck with Atlas turnouts. I use the Customlines, namely #6s and 8s. The problem Ive had with Atlas has been their crappy remote switch machines. I give the Atlas turnouts a slight tune up before installation. The remote switches just dont routinely giving good, solid contact of the turnout with the stock rail/diverging route.

So, after much debate here's what Ive decided...

Im staying with Atlas Customline turnouts (#6s and #8s) but powering them with Tortoise Switch Machines. As much as Id like the Peco turnouts, I just cant justify the increased expense, esp when the ones Ive had have functioned satisfactorily. Additionally, I think with the Tortoises, I believe the will perform better. Lastly, I have about half of the total number of turnouts I can reuse from the old layout. I will have one Walthers/Shinora turnout (the #6 Double Crossover they make).

BTW, this is the cheapest place Ive found Atlas Turnouts, Tortoise Switch Machines, and Atlas Code 83 FlexTrack.....www.nhshobbies.com

Not only are they the least expensive, they give free shipping over $99.

Brad
 


Print out the fastracks free templates (FREE + cost of ink & paper), get some quick sticks ($7.00 Ea.), rail of choice (Variable on type & amount needed), PC boards ($12 + for 10 #6 turnouts), solder, files and time. I figure roughly $10.00 per turnout. If you take your time and build them right you will have some of nicest turnouts available. IMHO.
 
Wow...great stuff guys! Now you've got me thinking more about Atlas turnouts. Mostly because I plan on using manual throws for now. I doubt I'll ever switch over but never say never. Thanks for all of your input!
 
I have numerous Caboose manual 'sprung' (202S) throws hooked up to various Atlas switches. They work great.
 
I posted about rolling stock quality and got some great input. Same type of question but with turnouts....I'm almost to a point of laying track and looking at different turnouts for HO DCC. I'm 99% sure I'm staying away from Atlas. My layout will require at least 12-14 turn outs so I'm trying to keep cost down but at the same time get a quality product (BA-HAHAHA). :D So how would you rate turnouts in order from best to worst?

Thanks!

Side note...I'm leaning toward Shinohara. And may be buying used...BUT..I think their old stuff have "live frogs" and may not work unless I need to modify.

I use nothing but Shinohara and MicroEngineering turnouts on my layout. I would avoid used Shinohara if at all possible. Especially the old ones without the railjoiners on the points. ME's are a little cheaper than Shinohara. However, they only make a #6 and it is code 82 not 83. I have never had a problem with the 3 that I have 8 years, now. Phil
 
I haven't used them myself, but I would suspect Tortose switch machines would work fine with the Pecos after the little throwover springs are removed.

You are correct. Peco turnouts actually work better with Tortoises if you remove the spring, as they won't have an unrealistic "snap" action. But then again, IIRC the turnouts in Penn Station in New York are powered by air cylinders, and they move with a pretty loud bang. So it depends on your prototype.
 
I use nothing but Shinohara and MicroEngineering turnouts on my layout. I would avoid used Shinohara if at all possible. Especially the old ones without the railjoiners on the points. ME's are a little cheaper than Shinohara. However, they only make a #6 and it is code 82 not 83. I have never had a problem with the 3 that I have 8 years, now. Phil

Used Shinohara? They become used as soon as a train is ran over them. I am guessing that you have had bad luck with them and they do not last long. I am glad I have stuck with my trusty old Atlas custom line turnouts...reliable service n dont break the bank.
 




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