Signal website?

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bkpigs

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Does anyone know of a good website to go to for explainations of signals? I am looking at NS signals in thier St. Louis Division. On the signals after a switch there is a single red light that is below and seperate from the normal signals. I assume that it is used to show whether or not the switch is closed. The confusing place is the signals near Bartelso, IL. The signal near the East end of the siding is before the siding ends. The one on the West end is about 1.5 miles down the track around a bend not visible from the siding in the least.

Any ideas??? Thank you very much.
 
I should have mentioned that the regular signal is shaped like a traffic light. The red one underneath is just a single one about 4 foot or so below.

Thanks for the PRR signal sheet. That is neat and very interesting. I am still lost on the seperate red light though. It is not on any other signal posts other than ones immediately after a switch.
 


Are you talking about something like this (in the foreground)?

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No, It is larger and only one light. It is mounted on the signal post. I am going to look on railpictures.net I think there were a couple of pictures of one of them on there.
 
Not like this one either? (I didn't post this one first since you said it looked like a traffic light).

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That's what my 2nd photo is. The one I pictured is on the main at Hattiesburg, MS, where it crosses the IC/CN line. I assumed it was for protecting the crossing.

On your picture, I'm not sure.
 
Looks like a secondary signal protecting the siding. The main line signal is red to show the switch is lined for the siding, against the direction of travel. The small signal on the siding, called a dwarf, appears to show green, meaning the switch is lined for the main but also showing red, which means the train doesn't have permission to enter the main yet. I believe both aspects will show green when the train has permission leave the siding for the main. With all the mergers, you really need some local information, since the NS runs over many lines of former railroads and the signal system is not consistent from district to district.
 


Ok, wow. Everyone is way off here.

All the lights on a single vertical mast are part of the same signal. Each light is _not_ independent of each other. The signal indications are based on the specific combinations of red/yellow/green lights.

In the case of the photo with the two signals at the end of the siding, the dwarf signal shows green on bottom, so that's a Slow to Clear signal (slow speed through the switch, then may proceed at track speed to next signal.) Dwarf signals generally allow slower speeds than the same combination of lights on a full mast signal.

On the mast at right, because it's a straight route, and there is no possible alternate route, there are only three possibilities: Clear, Approach (also called "Clear to Stop" in some rulebooks) and Stop. An absolute stop signal is Red over Red. Clear and Approach on this signal would be Green over Red and Yellow over Red respectively. So the bottom light is required to display the Absolute Stop (vs. "Stop and Proceed" that is possible on a simple block signal) and does not ever need to be anything other than red.
The same goes exactly for the signal protecting the diamond in another post. The bottom light can only ever be red since there is only one possible route through the interlocking. So the possible indications are Absolute Stop, Approach and Clear.

(Note that some railroads do have other variations on signalling, like Santa Fe's route signalling, Pennsy's position lights and B&O (or C&O?) Colour-Position Light signals)
 
A general guideline for the casual observer when it comes to colour-light signals such as those shown in this thread:

All-red = Stop.
High-green (with any number of red lights below it) = Full speed ahead

Any other combination is still "go", but the lower down the green or yellow is, the slower the speed restrictions.

The links that Mark G. posted in the very first reply in this thread are probably the best overall introduction to signal indications, as it shows indications for several types of signals including colour-light, position-light, color-position-light and a few other minor variations.
 
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