Post 1955 Hiawatha question

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TwrOpr 87

TwrOpr 87

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I've got a question about the Milwaukee Road post 1955 Hiawatha train. I'm thinking of building a Hiawatha or cities train to run on my HO layout. I've got a few cars so far but need more. I'm still debating though if I should get more or not since I'm not a huge passenger train fan. The idea of having a passenger train just for some variety though is tempting. If my research is correct, the post '55 hi had an express car, 4-6 coaches, super dome, diner, parlor car, and sky top lounge. Does anyone know if this is correct, and what order the cars go in? I've looked online and no one seems to know specifically what the order is. The other question, if I was to build a cities train, what cars would I need to build of a city of everywhere? I'd like to make it accurate as possible. 99 percent of my rolling stock is Santa Fe but I do like the Milwaukee as well. I'm going to start stripping some F7s this weekend to paint Milwaukee and probably be buying a caboose to run behind em. My dad has tons of books on the Milwaukee which have caught my eye recently which is why I'd like to add some Milwaukee stuff to my collection. Any info would be great, thanks.


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You need to be more specific than "post 55" because the consist changed frequently, but you have the basics correct and the cars in the correct order. There could be additional express/storage cars and RPO's on the headend. Somewhere in there, the parlor cars duties were handled by the skytop-paror cars and the parlor cars disappeared......unless the train got too long in which case a parlor car and a second diner might be added. During this time, the Morning and Afternoon Hi's were also combined with the Olympian Hi, and there were sleeper cars in the mix.
 
For a City of Everywhere, you'll need an awfully big layout. It contained some 22 cars at it's height, and was pulled by an A-B-B-B-A set of E units. That's about 25 or so feet of train!

Here are some possibilities:

Combined City of Los Angeles/City of San Francisco/City of St. Louis

Westbound No. 103, June 23, 1965

First Section
UP 5801 RPO-Storage
UP 5664 Coach
UP 6316 Baggage
UP 6321 Baggage
UP 6005 Baggage-Dormitory
UP Pacific Beauty 10-6 Sleeper
UP Placid Waters 11 Bedroom Sleeper
UP Placid Sea 11 Bedroom Sleeper
UP Ocean Scene 5-5-2 Sleeper
UP 8009 Dome Diner
UP 9009 Dome Lounge
UP Pacific Domain 10-6 Sleeper
UP Imperial Flower 4-4-2 Sleeper
UP National Homes 6-6-4 Sleeper
UP Pacific Forest 10-6 Sleeper

Second Section
MILW 1353 Baggage-Dormitory
UP 5531 Coach
UP 5456 Coach
WAB 203 Dome Coach
WAB 1431 Coach
UP 5477 Coach
UP 5016 Lunch Counter Café Lounge
UP 5539 Coach
UP 5512 Coach
UP 5504 Coach
UP 6208 Club-Lounge
UP 7000 Dome Coach
UP 5538 Coach
UP 5488 Coach
UP 5009 Lunch Counter Café Lounge
MILW 625 Coach
MILW 636 Coach
UP 5402 Coach
UP 5462 Coach
UP 5431 Coach
UP 5476 Coach

Westbound No. 103 at Omaha March 24, 1971
UP 6325 Baggage Portland
MILW 1337 Baggage Ogden
UP 6317 Baggage Los Angeles
UP 6005 Dormitory Los Angeles
UP 7004 Dome Coach Los Angeles
UP 5430 Coach Los Angeles
UP 9004 Dome Lounge Los Angeles
UP 4808 Diner Los Angeles
UP Ocean Scene 5-5-2 Sleeper Los Angeles
UP Pacific Travel 10-6 Sleeper Los Angeles
UP Pacific Meadows 10-6 Sleeper Portland
UP 7015 Dome Coach Portland
UP 5514 Coach Denver
UP 5543 Coach Portland

Westbound No. 103 at Omaha March 25, 1971
SP 6799 Baggage Oakland
UP 6302 Baggage Portland
MILW 1322 Baggage Oakland
UP 6310 Baggage Los Angeles
UP Pacific Mist 10-6 Sleeper (Dorm) Los Angeles
UP 7000 Dome Coach Los Angeles
UP 5465 Coach Los Angeles
UP 5410 Coach Oakland
UP 9011 Dome Lounge Los Angeles
UP 4810 Diner Los Angeles
UP Placid Vale 11 Bedroom Sleeper Los Angeles
UP Pacific Crest 10-6 Sleeper Los Angeles
UP Pacific View 10-6 Sleeper Oakland
UP Pacific Island 10-6 Sleeper Portland
UP 7001 Dome Coach Portland
UP 5540 Coach Portland
UP 5411 Coach Denver
UP 106 Boiler Car Ogden
UP 302 Business Car Grand Island
UP 102 Business Car Grand Island

and last:

Type of Car
Storage Mail
Baggage-Mail
Baggage-Mail
Baggage-Mail
Baggage-Dormitory
Sleeper (10-6)
Sleeper (10-6)
Sleeper (10-6)
Sleeper (10-6)
Sleeper (5-2-2)
Diner
Dome Lounge
Dome Coach
Coach
Coach
Coach
Coach
Coach
Coach
Coach
Diner
Sleeper (dorm)
Coach
Sleeper (10-6)
Dome Coach
Coach
Baggage-Mail

Google is your friend. Just do a search. Grab our wallet hard!!! ;)
 


I agree with Espeefan about the size of the Cities trains.......the morning and afternoon hiawathas ran with the consists you listed, and ran around 10-12 cars. There were other Hiawatha trains that ran with even fewer cars.See if you can find some info in your Dad's books
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I definitely don't wanna have a 25 foot long train. Thank you for all the specific consist info listed, that really helps. Having a small layout will probably make having a city of everywhere impossible. I have found pics and searched thru my dads MRHA magazines too but they weren't as specific as the info posted above


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