Old starter train set revival...for the memories.

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flightops

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First off, I'm not a "model train guy", so go easy on me.

I'm retired Military (30 years SAR) and a lifelong gear-head. In the garage is a Corvette, a Mustang, a Mini Cooper and several "liter bikes" either in riding state or in some phase of a "project". There's also my truck and the wife's EV, but those are our driving vehicles. Getting kind of old now and working in the shop is getting harder every year, so some modelling projects are the solution to my building "itch".

As far as modelling goes, I build RC 4x4's and HO slot car tracks. In the works right now is a road track and a drag strip:

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Road track is just something I pulled out of my head and the drag strip is a scale 1000'. Pretty much all the cars are "vintage". Some are case motors, some are pancake. All are "simple".

So even though not a train guy, I'm not totally new to scale building. As you might be able to tell, I also have a 3d printer, which is where most of the track accessories are coming from, which can also make most of any train layout pieces I might ever want.

I often waste a little time now and then in the local thrift store. Not that I look for anything specific, but sometimes you run across something interesting.

About a week or so ago, I ran across a bit of an old Bachmann set. "CN Hustler" or "diesel hustler" kit pieces, or something along those lines. Came with an old Tyco power pack. Gold colored one, 899 was the model IIRC. Nothing else. 20 bucks.

Now, like a lot of once little boys that are my age, Dad used to buy the occasional train set for under the xmas tree. I remember the CN kit specifically. Sometimes, I think Dad bought them as much for himself as me. Dad has been gone many years now, but fond memories remain of building and running those xmas train sets together. Even if they were usually boxed up again a week or two later.

20 bucks isn't much and I figured if nothing else, the little train could sit on a shelf and help evoke those fond memories. So I picked it up and headed for the cashier. Get it home and it's actually in pretty good nick, cosmetically at least:

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I pull the engine apart and go through the motor and (very limited) wiring. I rebuild vintage audio gear, and the last unit I did was my Sansui 8080DB:

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Total rebuild. Caps, transistors, outputs, burned/missing circuit traces, bad pots and switches, etc, so this little pancake engined thing is a doodle for me to fettle.

I tear it done to the basic plastic frame, and go through it all. Virtually no wear, even the brushes barely look burnished. Seems to support my theory of it being one of those "xmas sets". IE: used a couple times and then boxed away for the next 30-40 years.

8 wheel pickup, 4 wheel drive, 2 traction tires.

All cleaned and re-lubricated, I flip it over and run it off the Tyco pack with a couple jumper wires. Seems to run nicely, for what it is that is.

Since it's running well, I figure I might as well get a little track so I can run it, even in a limited capacity.

Long story short, ebay serves up some brass track and another CN engine and car set. 22 curves, 8 straights, a curve re-railer with a power tap and two (L&R) turnouts. All brass.

When it arrives, the brass is all old and tarnished. Not unexpected. I do the rubber eraser trick and run the engine over it. Seems to run fine.

So I take the brass track out to the shop and run it across the buffing wheel with some rouge. Comes up nicely. About 5-10 mins work and it's all done.

I pull the second engine apart and give it the same treatment. It's also a Bachmann (xmas set), but a few construction differences. Things like wheel contacts screwed on instead of pushed on. an extra 50 gram weight at the rear of the frame, etc. Small things, but seems a little better. I run it on some track and it seems a little stronger and smoother than the other loco. So I take the body form the first and add it to the second chassis. I remove the wiring and two of the gears in the wheel gearbox of the first engine and make it a "dummy", saving all the parts as both engines look to have very little actual run time on them.

Some of the cars are truck mounted horn-hooks, some are chassis mounted. They'll all go chassis mounted if I do decide to swap them out for kadee #5's.

I set up a small oval and try out the Tyco pack running the loco and cars:


Not bad. The Horn hook couplers aren't the greatest and low speed control isn't the greatest either, but it runs fairly smoothly. Finding myself a little enamored with the little "toy", I found myself wanting a little more "granularity" in the controls. Ebay again serves up something. An MRC Tech II 2500 for about 35 bucks:

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Says "tested", but with ebay that could literally mean anything from they twiddled the dials to they ran a train with it. I looked at a couple pictures on the internet of the internal circuits/components and there's nothing there that bothers me if I have to troubleshoot it.

So that's where it currently sits. I'm into it all for 100-150 bucks Cdn. Very wallet friendly.

I may change out the horn-hooks for kadee #5's (which will likely cost nearly as much my total investment so far, lol!), I may setup a 4x8 scene, or it may get boxed up again an come out at xmas time to circle the tree. I haven't decided which yet.

I do find myself wanting to show the little loco's a little "scale love" and add in the details they lack (IE; railings, lights, lines, etc). Whether that happens of not is again, up for grabs.

One thing is sure; I won't be doing a lot of spending on it.

That means no dcc, no silver tracks, etc.

Nothing fancy and this build will be staying "low budget" no matter what.....:)
 
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Wow you do 3d printing too? I have been designing my own 3d models, and thought it would be cool to print slot car shells! Well, when I get some anyway.
I LOVE the layout! :D 😍
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It started out as a stock Creality CR10 v2. First I added a BLTouch. Then I added a E3D titan direct extruder, then a E3D volcano hot end. Then it started spalling the glass beds so I went to a magnetic stainless bed. Then the bed mounting went from spring to solid mounts. Finally, a custom firmware version or Marlin. For a slicer program I just use Cura (IE: it's freeware).

I can do my own cad work (and have before) but I usually find what I need on free resources like thingiverse. Even if it's only close to what you need, tinkercad is a quick and easy (free) resource to modify existing stl's so they work for what you want.

;)
 
I agree Louis that’s a great story!
Many of us started off the same way but a few years, thousands of dollars, and a change in hair color later and here I am. 🙄
I’ll be looking forward to seeing where this takes you!
Love the avatar. I'm a dog guy too. Currently have a greater swiss mountain dog (Swissy). Our second, great breed.

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On the left is our first who is, sadly, no longer with us. Congenital heart defect took him in the end. He was a fantastic boy who was only supposed to live weeks to months. We managed to give him 5 years with the best medical treatment we could get for him. We spared no expense. I think he had a better medial care program than I do! He was worth every single cent we spent on him. He was a happy and carefree boy until the last few months when it just plain caught up with him. I don't regret a thing about him, not even when I had to sleep on the floor with him in the end to keep him warm with my body heat and hold him in my arms when he would have a "mini-seizures" from the BP drop outs. I miss him more than I can express with words. My soul actually died a little the day he left us.....

On the right side is the boy still with us. Fantastic boy too. I'd be lost without him. Very people focused breed. He's healthy and strong, so we expect the 10-15 years of full life for him. He also has a better medical plan than me! We even have the vet do at least yearly blood work for him to help us catch things early.

I've had all kinds of dogs from rescue's to pure's and loved them all. All dogs are just a special gift to us. But the Swissy breed just seems to be all that with just a little extra touch of speciali-ness. It's a personality thing I guess.

Been a long time since I've seen a Bombardier Iltis. "Banged up" more than one of those in my day. Personal ownership or a picture from a..... "previous life"?

;)
 
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The Iltis is one of my toys, great fun here at the beaches!
There’s actually four of us on my street with them.
Great looking pups!
Sorry to hear of your loss, our last retriever had that same thing and now I guess it’s my turn.
Got a couple years left tho I figure. Lol

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Welcome to the club. You've got some great looking toys* (and dogs). I can easily see you going down the slippery slope of model railroading. We've all done it here to some level or other. The point is to have fun.
* Gary's definition of Toys - Anything you have just because you enjoy it.
 
Ran across this on a random ebay browse:

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Part of a Hampton village set.. I was called "we see thee rise" or something along those lines (phrase of the Canadian anthem). I was RCAF, so it pulled on a few strings for me and I probably paid a little too much for it because of that. I just wanted it because I wanted it...;)

I don't think I'll be putting it on the rails though, more of a display shelf thing for me.

Also ran across a CN passenger car/caboose for very little cash

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Delivered this past Friday. Pulled it apart and it cleaned up like new. I'll have to keep my eye out for another passenger car, obs car and a baggage car. That will be a long term thing though as they not only have to turn up, they have to turn up at the right price (for me).
 
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thought I'd see how much that little pancake motor can pull:


Seems fairly impressive for what it is. It didn't like trying to reverse the cars as much as it did pulling them but it still did it.....
Just an FYI, those little pancake motors don't like being overworked. Back in the olden days of yore, I burned up more than a couple by trying to pull too much for too long with them. If you have more than one, switch them out during use, so they don't have an opportunity to release their factory-installed smoke.
 
Just an FYI, those little pancake motors don't like being overworked. Back in the olden days of yore, I burned up more than a couple by trying to pull too much for too long with them. If you have more than one, switch them out during use, so they don't have an opportunity to release their factory-installed smoke.
Thats ok. As long as I don’t stall and overheat it, its just wear concerns.

If it does burn out, that just means I can explore some options for repowering it. IE: servo motors, 5 pole motors, 8 wheel drive, all brass geartrain, billet chassis, etc.

I’ve got the shop and skills to do it all “in house”:

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I usually enjoy working on things more than using them, so the idea of a “custom build” out of something usually passed over by most people kind of appeals to me. Especially if it has already "died". To me, that's just exposing the weak link so I can fix it......gives me the opportunity to get in there and get really creative....;)
 
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so, nothing scientific about this, but I pulled the shell off and ran the engine around the track a bunch or times on various speeds, ending with several full speed blasts around the oval.

Felt the pancake case and no heat to speak of. Smelled like ozone, but it always smelled like that.

Then ran it around with the 7 cars (in the video above) hooked up on as close of a loop (ie: fast, slow, number of rounds, etc) as I could to the first time.

No appreciable heat in the motor case, same as before. Ozone smell again, but my sniffer can't discern any difference from before.

So I'm just going to run it as is for now and what I get is what I get.....:)
 
OK, threw the last box car on there. That made it 8 cars, thats including the dummy engine and the extra long passenger car.

It pulled it, but that's obviously too much. Took half throttle on the Tyco controller and even then, you could tell the drive wheels where slipping and spinning. Tried a full throttle run and barely got up to it's usual half speed. Obviously it's not the power pack, but rather the load on the F9 engine/chassis. Just too much weight for it to perform well.

I'll drop it back down to the 6 cars for now, just to let up on that little pancake driven F9 chassis.

I do have few thoughts on how to give it more drive, but have to investigate it a bit before saying anything.....;)
 
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Okey dokey.

I have a solution to run longer trains (more cars) with the Bachmann pancake motors. At least it seems that way.

First, I put the dummy engine's gearbox back together. Henceforth to be referred to as #2.

Then I figured out the polarity to make #2 drive wheels turn in the same direction as the #1 engine. IE: #2 is running in reverse.

Then parallel wiring from the pickups to #1 and #2 engine's pancake motors. That way both motors see the same voltage and have the same (or at least as similar as possible) current pull.

Tried them on the Tyco box with no load. Both start and stop at the same time. Takes a little more dialing up on the pot, but not a lot more. To be expected running two pancakes off the same supply.

Over to the oval and run the combo on the Tyco box. All good, they move together.

Hook up the 8 cars and dial up the Tyco. Pulls the whole train without issue. Lots of grip, lots of pull. The added current load even seems to make slow speed control a little better (IE: easier).

It's just the 2 chassis' and some "prototyping" wiring right now. Tomorrow I'll clean it up properly and get the shells back on.

We'll see how long it lasts.......;)

The MRC TechII 2500 should deal with running two pancakes much better than the little Tyco box too.....
 
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Well, I've got enough used cars and engines now that there's a mix of coupler types. The Athearn SPD40 I just bought has the kadee style couplers (hasn't arrived yet), the observation car that just arrived has knuckle style couplers (fixed jaw) and all the rest are horn hooks, some chassis mounted and some truck mounted.

I've decided to swap them all over the Kadee style chassis mounted. Checked out the cost of "real" kadee's and wow! They sure want a lot of money for a little chip of pot metal don't they!

So I looked around a bit and found the Bachmann e-z mate ii couplers

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Kadee whisker style, metal jaw spring but plastic bodies. 31 bucks for a card of 12, which is a few more than I need to do even car and engine I have/have on the way.

Pricing is just too attractive for me at this very basic starting point, so I order up some. At least all the stock will be compatible and should I decide to change them out for the more extensive Kadee's, I can spread that cost over a longer period.

I did read a few forum posts here and there complaining about them (mostly in longer trains), but that's not going to be a factor for me. I'll only ever be able to run 10-15 cars in any layout I build. I just don't want to sacrifice the space for more than that.
 
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I did read a few forum posts here and there complaining about them (mostly in longer trains), but that's not going to be a factor for me.
I used Life-Like's Scene Master Couplers.
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They worked great for my small (under 12 car) trains. I was disappointed because I couldn't find them anywhere. They were sold out everywhere I looked.

Those Bachmann couplers are perfect (for me) thank you for sharing!

And I won't be surprised if we catch some flak over this. Most anything Bachmann can draw flak. I have a lot of Bachmann stuff, it works great for me.
 
I used Life-Like's Scene Master Couplers.
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They worked great for my small (under 12 car) trains. I was disappointed because I couldn't find them anywhere. They were sold out everywhere I looked.

Those Bachmann couplers are perfect (for me) thank you for sharing!

And I won't be surprised if we catch some flak over this. Most anything Bachmann can draw flak. I have a lot of Bachmann stuff, it works great for me.
Not worried about "flak" for my choices. I know that I'm stayin "lower end" for things. That's intentional on my part.

I'm just in this for a little messing around fun at this point. So what may be considered "bottom feeder" stuff is just fine by me.

I'm pretty sure when I'm done, if I can even get 15-ish cars on whatever my layout becomes, you'll probably be still seeing the last car going away on it's turn while the engine is making the turn to come back at you....

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PS: I got that pack off amazon.
 
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For me it's not about how much I spend. To be honest, cost is all but irrelevant.

I will never have a large HO layout. With that in mind I chose Life-Like's couplers for the simplicity of installing them. I added Bachmann's steel wheels, and I made my old Tyco and Life-Like cars reliable and easy to connect to my modern locomotives.

I could care less what anyone thinks of it, I love it!

Keep doing what you do and thanks for sharing your work, I enjoy it.
 




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