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Mornin' all. Well, afternoon in y'all's frame of reference...

It's 94F/50% on the patio right now. If it keeps getting hotter, I'm going to have to start spending my morning inside. Because, y'now, that doesn't happen every year here in Texas...

Got the camera mounted yesterday, but didn't get the cover finished, and that's going to be critical. Can't aim the thing without the proper mount, which will be on the cover. Hacking it with tape lasted for total of about 45 seconds.

Whether I get to that today... we'll see. I have something slick in mind, which means a lot of design work, and there are other things on the TODO list today.

Parents are coming up here tomorrow for Dad's Mohs surgery, so I need to straighten up the house; if he's feeling up to it, they'll probably stop in for lunch. I did some of that last night, but I really need to vacuum and mop and all those other time consuming things. I've been a little too lazy lately.

Oh, and need to make appointments for other preventative medical checks. Forgot to do that yesterday...

Haven't heard the fireworks start up here yet, which is unusual. I'm sure the next few evenings will be noisy. The good local shows are generally visible from my pool, so I might be doing that again on the fourth.

Off to get my day started and my house fit for company. Have a good day, folks!
 
insomniville said:
The good local shows are generally visible from my pool, so I might be doing that again on the fourth.
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Our City had their display on Saturday and I can see everything but the ground display from my pool in the backyard.

That was really nice laying on a floatie watching the fireworks, radio on in the background with some classic rock, and a huge
glass of iced tea.. When they were done I just walked into the house. No crowds or traffic to deal with.
 


ctclibby said:
Fully automated machine guns are pretty much illegal. Need to have a Gun Smith license ( or something like that ) to operate full auto. So it is 1 pull on the trigger for 1 shot; pretty much like an AR which are not nor can be full auto. The Matty Mattel is another story. There are places here in MT that let you fire full auto, it is spendy. I did a 60 cal a few years back just cuz I missed doing that since getting out of the USMC many moons ago; that was $150 for for 100 rounds at that time. But it was fun!

L8r
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No, full auto firearms are not illegal. You may own full auto, suppressors, SBR's, etc by applying for the required NFA tax stamp. The FA ownership has to be transferred through the ATF via the NFA. The caveats are the FA stuff has to be manufactured and in the ATF database prior to 1986 and your state doesn't have any restrictions on them. Oregon may be a pretty blue state, but you can own anything if you apply and are approved through the ATF.

The BBB is trying to get rid of the $200 tax stamp to own a suppressor.
 
ctclibby said:
Willie: I figured Tx would also be one of the top ones for carry. When we happened through and got out the the truck stop area, almost everybody had something hanging from their hip. Who knows about concealed.
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Texas is actually in the middle among the 50 states, ranking #26 by official statistics. Those statistics are for legal ownership. There's a lot of unregistered firearms in our state, the possession of them is not illegal. Your state of Montana tops the list at #1. I figured TX to be a lot higher, but as Chad pointed out, we have Austin. Most people that I know have unregistered firearms as well as registered ones.

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Good afternoon from a lazy day in Wisconsin. I enjoy sitting on the south deck or the north porch during the day. Today though, since my return from the dental cleaning and a stop at McDonalds I have been out on the porch all day. It is just such a perfect day!

I can not only see the world from my perch here I can actually do some work here but no modeling! Today the surveyor came over and she grabbed one of my diet Doctor Peppers cold but not frozen. Terry had coffee. The surveyor has inspected the farm property we are thinking of but found an interesting fact. About a mile away will be the entrance to a new golf course and most probably a housing community. She found some paper work at the county offices and than confirmed that information with a former colleague. Normally that makes our decision a no brainer but the info is from 2023 with nothing filed since then. I’m tempted to make an offer, add a couple streets and build a few rental duplexes but I no longer want to be in property management. Plenty of room to still add on to the SIL’s vineyard. I did craft an email asking the farmer how much longer would he want to work the property? The last farm we purchased the guy said 3 years but only stayed for 1.

Tonight the granddaughter plays ball at 5:30. The Miracle League of Dane County does a bang up job helping the kids with disabilities. Our granddaughter is Down Syndrome and it’s so great to see the happiness she experiences playing ball with others. It’s cringe worthy at times and baseball rules are not totally enforced but it generates good feelings and smiles.

After we come home and eat, I’ll spend a couple hours tonight checking out the 48 freight cars that arrived for weathering. I have sent a text off asking the client for directions and preferred pictures.

Guns! I’m surprised Wisconsin is not higher than the 27th place that chart shows. My guns are 100% registered but I only have 6. I knew many co-workers up north that were hunters and had double digits for guns but I never asked if they were registered. I rarely now do concealed carry. Open carry here though still freaks out too many folks.

Our accident on the corner driver is home. Seems his church went to bat big time for him but he is confined to the house and yard. Still no definite answer on why the 2 houses across the street from him were raided by what every walker I’ve talked said was now the ATF. The rumors are he snitched and cut a deal but it happened so quick I can’t believe a deal was that easy. It’s easy to talk from where I am and the front sidewalk
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Maybe a chocolate swirl ice cream cup will taste good…

Enjoy your day
 
Well, for any northerners looking to move south for better gun laws... advice I found on the interwebs:

ADVICE FOR ANYONE MOVING TO THE SOUTH
1. Save all manner of bacon grease. You will be instructed later how to use it.
2. Just because you can drive on snow and ice does not mean we can. Just stay home the two days of the year it snows.
3. If you do run your car into a ditch, don't panic. Four men in the cab of a four wheel drive with a 12-pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don't try to help them. Just stay out of their way. This is what they live for.
4. Don't be surprised to find movie rentals & bait in the same store.
5. Remember: "Y'all" is singular. "All y'all" is plural. "All y'all's" is plural possessive.
6. Get used to hearing "You ain't from around here, are ya?"
7. If you are yelling at the person driving 15 mph in a 55 mph zone, directly in the middle of the road, remember, many folks learned to drive on a model of vehicle known as John Deere, and this is the proper speed and lane position for that vehicle.
8. If you hear a redneck say, "Hey, y'all, watch this!" Stay out of his way, these are likely his last words ever.
9. Get used to the phrase "It's not the heat, it's the humidity". And the collateral phrase "You call this hot? Wait'll August."
10. There are no good delis. Don't ask.
11. In conversation, never put your hand on a man's shoulder when making a point, especially in a bar.
12. Hot dog chili does NOT have beans in it.
13. Brisket is not 'cooked' in an oven.
14. Don't tell us how you did it up there. Nobody cares.
15. If you think it's too hot, don't worry. It'll cool down-in December.
16. We do TOO have 4 Seasons: December, January, February, and Summer.
17. A Mercedes-Benz is not a status symbol, a Chevy, Dodge, or Ford is.
18. If someone tells you "Don't worry, those peppers aren't hot" you can be certain they are.
19. If you fail to heed my warning in #18 above, be sure to have a glass of milk and some bread handy. Water won't do it.
20. Rocky Mountain oysters are NOT oysters. Don't ask. DON'T GOOGLE IT EITHER! It's worse than regular oysters!
21. If someone says they're "fixin" to do something, that doesn't mean anything's broken.
22. Don't even think of ordering a strawberry daiquiri. What you really mean to say is 'Margarita.'
23. If you don't understand our passion for college and high school FOOTBALL
🏈
just keep your mouth shut.
24. The value of a parking space is not determined by the distance to the door, but the availability of shade.
25. If you see a slower moving vehicle on a two-lane road pull onto the shoulder that is called "courtesy".
26. BBQ is a food group. It does NOT mean grilling burgers and hot dogs outdoors.
27. No matter what you've seen on TV, line dancing is not a popular weekend pastime.
28. "Tea" = Sweet Iced Tea. There is no other kind.
29. Everything is better with Ranch dressing.
30. DO NOT honk your horn at us to be obnoxious, we will sit there until we die!
31. We pull over and stop for emergency vehicles to pass.
32. We pull over for funeral processions, turn our music off and men remove hats or caps. Some people put their hand over their heart.
33. Most of us own at least one gun.
34. "Bless your Heart" is a nice way of saying you're an idiot.
 
TLOC said:
Good afternoon from a lazy day in Wisconsin. I enjoy sitting on the south deck or the north porch during the day. Today though, since my return from the dental cleaning and a stop at McDonalds I have been out on the porch all day. It is just such a perfect day!

I can not only see the world from my perch here I can actually do some work here but no modeling! Today the surveyor came over and she grabbed one of my diet Doctor Peppers cold but not frozen. Terry had coffee. The surveyor has inspected the farm property we are thinking of but found an interesting fact. About a mile away will be the entrance to a new golf course and most probably a housing community. She found some paper work at the county offices and than confirmed that information with a former colleague. Normally that makes our decision a no brainer but the info is from 2023 with nothing filed since then. I’m tempted to make an offer, add a couple streets and build a few rental duplexes but I no longer want to be in property management. Plenty of room to still add on to the SIL’s vineyard. I did craft an email asking the farmer how much longer would he want to work the property? The last farm we purchased the guy said 3 years but only stayed for 1.

Tonight the granddaughter plays ball at 5:30. The Miracle League of Dane County does a bang up job helping the kids with disabilities. Our granddaughter is Down Syndrome and it’s so great to see the happiness she experiences playing ball with others. It’s cringe worthy at times and baseball rules are not totally enforced but it generates good feelings and smiles.

After we come home and eat, I’ll spend a couple hours tonight checking out the 48 freight cars that arrived for weathering. I have sent a text off asking the client for directions and preferred pictures.

Guns! I’m surprised Wisconsin is not higher than the 27th place that chart shows. My guns are 100% registered but I only have 6. I knew many co-workers up north that were hunters and had double digits for guns but I never asked if they were registered. I rarely now do concealed carry. Open carry here though still freaks out too many folks.

Our accident on the corner driver is home. Seems his church went to bat big time for him but he is confined to the house and yard. Still no definite answer on why the 2 houses across the street from him were raided by what every walker I’ve talked said was now the ATF. The rumors are he snitched and cut a deal but it happened so quick I can’t believe a deal was that easy. It’s easy to talk from where I am and the front sidewalk
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Maybe a chocolate swirl ice cream cup will taste good…

Enjoy your day
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My brother is a Senior Director at a major national lawn care & landscaping company. He doesn't understand how people in Oregon can let their yards look like crap. It doesn't matter if it's a wealthy neighborhood. We have lots of water and mild weather for the most part. Brown, weed filled, uncut next to a well manicured show place. I told him it's just like the roofs in the neighborhood. Most are 25 years old and in need of replacement. The people that care about their investment replaced them at the 20 year range before any serious water damage.

I told him I think a lot people either just don't care, are maxed out financially, or both.

He said that in the mid-west (upper included) everyone takes pride in their yards no matter the economic level.
 
troyphoto wrote : Well, for any northerners looking to move south for better gun laws... advice I found on the interwebs:

4. Don't be surprised to find movie rentals & bait in the same store.

In Haskell Texas, not far from me, there is a large grocery store that has an ACE Hardware located inside. This is a LARGE store, not some "roadside" quickie mart. The Ace has a store front but is inside the grocery store. As you go towards the "ACE" end of the grocery store, you pass an isle with grocery items then next, an isle with jeans, overalls, boots, next isle has fishing gear, there is a rack with 8' and 10' long 2 x 4s along with some other wood trim. Then you head into the produce area of the store but two isles away you can find all manner of Craftsman tools, tool boxes, gas grills, then you can enter the 'hardware" section proper where there is house paint, hinges, nuts, bolts, screws and plumbing supplies......all the stuff in any nicely stocked ACE Hardware store. I am speculating here but I would bet, back in the day, they had movie rentals. It is an interesting place to say the least. It is where I go when I need canned beans and door hinges. 😜😜😜

Slept till 2 pm today. Seems my days and nights are rolling over. I blame this neither on standard or daylight savings time, but on the fact we have to change from one time setting to the other every six months or so. As I get older, it gets harder and harder to adjust to the time change. I can't believe that the legislators in the great state of Texas can't settle on one time setting or the other. Oh $hit, I forgot they were politicians.......strike that last sentence.

Everyone have a great afternoon........John
 


troyphoto said:
Well, for any northerners looking to move south for better gun laws... advice I found on the interwebs:

ADVICE FOR ANYONE MOVING TO THE SOUTH
1. Save all manner of bacon grease. You will be instructed later how to use it.
2. Just because you can drive on snow and ice does not mean we can. Just stay home the two days of the year it snows.
3. If you do run your car into a ditch, don't panic. Four men in the cab of a four wheel drive with a 12-pack of beer and a tow chain will be along shortly. Don't try to help them. Just stay out of their way. This is what they live for.
4. Don't be surprised to find movie rentals & bait in the same store.
5. Remember: "Y'all" is singular. "All y'all" is plural. "All y'all's" is plural possessive.
6. Get used to hearing "You ain't from around here, are ya?"
7. If you are yelling at the person driving 15 mph in a 55 mph zone, directly in the middle of the road, remember, many folks learned to drive on a model of vehicle known as John Deere, and this is the proper speed and lane position for that vehicle.
8. If you hear a redneck say, "Hey, y'all, watch this!" Stay out of his way, these are likely his last words ever.
9. Get used to the phrase "It's not the heat, it's the humidity". And the collateral phrase "You call this hot? Wait'll August."
10. There are no good delis. Don't ask.
11. In conversation, never put your hand on a man's shoulder when making a point, especially in a bar.
12. Hot dog chili does NOT have beans in it.
13. Brisket is not 'cooked' in an oven.
14. Don't tell us how you did it up there. Nobody cares.
15. If you think it's too hot, don't worry. It'll cool down-in December.
16. We do TOO have 4 Seasons: December, January, February, and Summer.
17. A Mercedes-Benz is not a status symbol, a Chevy, Dodge, or Ford is.
18. If someone tells you "Don't worry, those peppers aren't hot" you can be certain they are.
19. If you fail to heed my warning in #18 above, be sure to have a glass of milk and some bread handy. Water won't do it.
20. Rocky Mountain oysters are NOT oysters. Don't ask. DON'T GOOGLE IT EITHER! It's worse than regular oysters!
21. If someone says they're "fixin" to do something, that doesn't mean anything's broken.
22. Don't even think of ordering a strawberry daiquiri. What you really mean to say is 'Margarita.'
23. If you don't understand our passion for college and high school FOOTBALL
🏈
just keep your mouth shut.
24. The value of a parking space is not determined by the distance to the door, but the availability of shade.
25. If you see a slower moving vehicle on a two-lane road pull onto the shoulder that is called "courtesy".
26. BBQ is a food group. It does NOT mean grilling burgers and hot dogs outdoors.
27. No matter what you've seen on TV, line dancing is not a popular weekend pastime.
28. "Tea" = Sweet Iced Tea. There is no other kind.
29. Everything is better with Ranch dressing.
30. DO NOT honk your horn at us to be obnoxious, we will sit there until we die!
31. We pull over and stop for emergency vehicles to pass.
32. We pull over for funeral processions, turn our music off and men remove hats or caps. Some people put their hand over their heart.
33. Most of us own at least one gun.
34. "Bless your Heart" is a nice way of saying you're an idiot.
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Hey, I resemble that remark 😄😄😄
 
ctclibby said:
Fully automated machine guns are pretty much illegal. Need to have a Gun Smith license ( or something like that ) to operate full auto. So it is 1 pull on the trigger for 1 shot; pretty much like an AR which are not nor can be full auto. The Matty Mattel is another story. There are places here in MT that let you fire full auto, it is spendy. I did a 60 cal a few years back just cuz I missed doing that since getting out of the USMC many moons ago; that was $150 for for 100 rounds at that time. But it was fun!

L8r
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No. Fully automatic machine guns are not illegal (in many states). State law governs but federally, ownership falls under the NFA '34 (as modified by the FOPA '86). To own one you have to pay a $200 Stamp Tax to the feds and get a Form 4 back. The Form 4 is "Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration".

As long as your state has not made them illegal, the you can own one if you want and have the money.

In most cases it works like this:

You find one you want to buy. Make sure it is transferrable to civilians. You make a deal with the owner. You arrange a payment regime agreeable to both -- since the process is long it's usually something like 1/2 up front and 1/2 on delivery.

You have to fill out the Form 4. This includes getting fingerprints and your local leading LEO to sign the form. This can be a chief of police, sheriff, etc. There is a list of who can do this and how to get around LEO who won't sign because of their politics (many states require the LEO to sign unless he has concrete evidence that you are not suitable to own one -- so called non-discretionary signature). If you are buying this through a trust (not as an individual I believe you do not need the LEO approval). You fill out a check made to the government and send it with the form, which identifies the machine gun and serial number etc. Unless it's in the same state as you it technically needs to be transferred to a dealer and then to a dealer in the buyer's state and then to the purchaser, which has some dealer oriented forms involved as well. But the end result is you (and your dealer) fill out and sign the Form 4, get prints and LEO signature, send it and $200 to the US government, and start waiting. It can take a few months to many many months for these to get approved (includes background checks etc). The form will be sent back with its approval to the seller (or your local dealer who now has it if the buyer was out of state), and they'll call you and you'll come get your machine-gun. You need to keep the form or a copy of it with you / with the gun) and you cannot cross state lines with it unless you send in another form 5320.20, Application to transport interstate an NFA item or I think if you're moving to provide a new home address for the machine-gun.

There are a lot of legally owned machine-guns in the country. You can legally buy any machine gun that is in the registry and marked "transferable".

The "problem" is that the NFA '34, the law governing the registration and stamp tax for machine guns, was modified in the FOPA '86 -- The Firearms Owner Protection Act of 1986 -- which did a lot of good things. But it also did some less desirable things like close the registry of transferable machine guns to new additions as of May 1986. So the current list of transferable machine guns is capped to those that were in the list as of May 1986. That means the law of scarcity enters the picture, and they've become very expensive. A lot will get purchased and never brought back to the market again, so the pool of available ones gradually gets smaller. Some transfer hands but others get socked away, never to be sold again.

(There are machine guns that were made before May 1986 but were never registered by the manufacturer as transferable [govt sales or whatever] or were registered later than May 1986. There are three classes of machine guns: full transferable, dealer samples pre-86, and dealer sample post 86 / non transferable. The fully transferable are ones that were made and registered by the manufacturer before May 1986. The pre-86 dealer sample are ones that were not registered as transferable by May 1986, but were in circulation as dealer samples, government owned guns, etc before May 1986. These pre-86 samples cannot be bought by a normal person, but a dealer who has the machine gun endorsement on his dealer license (technically it has another name) can buy and sell these to other dealers, and if they give up their license (freely, not under duress or losing the license legally) they can keep the gun, but can only ever sell it to another dealer. It doesn't become transferable. The post-86 samples are ones a dealer can get if they have a request by an entity who can own post-86 guns [police departments, government agencies, etc] so that they can sell it to the department or do a demo or whatever the department needs. Think new made modern machine-guns. Those cannot be kept if the dealer gives up his license. He needs to transfer it to another dealer who has the request from an agency or return it to the manufacturer.)

Note that the "machine gun" under this law is just the part that has the serial number. It is often just the sear or a frame or receiver. The sear is a little piece of metal that is added to the trigger group and fire control parts that makes it a full auto (usually with some other non serial numbered parts). The receiver is a piece of the housing. Each gun has a different piece that is serial numbered.

An M16 type gun, for example, can be either a receiver gun or a sear gun. In the receiver gun, a new made receiver is made with the appropriate holes etc and registered with the government as machine gun. But it is just the receive part. None of the other parts. Or, an AR15 receiver can be used, modified with appropriate holes, "new" new serial number affixed, and registered as a "registered receiver", even though it started life as a normal semi-auto receiver.

But there are also M16 DIAS or Drop In Auto Sear guns. It's not fully "drop in" but the serial numbered part is the little metal sear. So you can take ANY AR15 receiver, drill some holes, buy the full auto parts (except the sear), take your fully registered and legal DIAS you bought, and put it all together ad have an M16 style gun. This is called a "sear gun".

Most people value registered receiver guns more highly than sear guns but both are possible and the only piece that has to be pre May 1986 and registered with Form 4 in hand is the DIA sear or the registered receiver. All the other parts can be brand new. Upper receiver, barrel, stock, etc.

H&K style forearms are similar. (H&K 91/G3, SP89 / MP5, etc.) There are registered receiver H&K guns made at the factory as a full auto registered machine gun. There are also full auto sears that were made and registered by various makers before May 86 and registered with the government under the NFA 34 as transferable by the deadline. In fact, once the law passed but before it went into effect the companies making sears for H&K and M16 etc went into overdrive, pumping out sears and registering them.

I've owned three machine guns. I do not currently own any and probably never will again unless the law changes and they are no longer regulated by the NFA '34. I bought a registered receiver AR15 conversion M16 receiver, which I had a year or three and sold because I was out of work an needed money to pay rent. I never built a gun out of it. I owned an SWD M/11-9 machine gun. (Think MAC-10 style -- SWD was a later iteration of the company that made MAC-10). The SWD company was out of business but they still had a warehouse with a 1000 or 2000 guns in it. A friend and machine gun dealer I knew at the time made them an offer for all the guns in the warehouse. He raised cash from his other dealer friends and he also sold some to us, after we helped him unload the UPS pallets and helped him record all of them in his dealer "bound book". He sold them to us for not a lot of mark up. I bought some hop-up parts like a K-grip and barrel extension and an attachable Tommy Gun stock, to make it more controllable. But it fell victim to the need to pay rent when I was out of work so I only had it a few years. End of 20th Century. I also bought an H&K compatible registered sear, an SP89 pistol, and paid a gun smith to re-mark it MP-5 and sell me the other parts necessary to get an MP5. So I had an MP5K type gun for a couple decades. I sold it a while ago after having had fun with it occasionally. I sold it to a well known Florida based machine gun dealer. It was faster and easier though I could have sold it for close to 30-40% more if I had tried to sell it person-to-person. But it would have been on me to find a buyer, wait months for forms, etc.

Due to length restrictions this is TBC -- down below.
 
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more on machine guns

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So I've been machine-gun less for a good while now. If I were a billionaire there is a list of machine guns I'd like to have including an MG-42 style belt fed and an M2HB belt fed. But we're talking big big big bucks for those. 30 years ago the Mg-42 style gun was $40k. Probably many multiples of that now. My dealer friend sold an M2HB machine gun for $10k end of 20th century. I'm sure its many multiples of that now.

Incidentally the same Form 4 process is required to buy a sound suppressor (silencer) or a "short barreled rifle" or "SBR" / "short barreled shotgun" / "SBS". To be a normal rifle the barrel has to be at east 16" and the overall length of the gun has to be a certain length. (And shotguns have to have 18" barrel etc). SBR/SBS gets rid of all the requirements but they are governed by the same rules including $200 stamp tax. The one thing that they are not affected by is the 1986 ban on new civilian makes. You can make a new silencer or SBR today and sell it. It just follows the same regulatory path and cost. In fact you can make your own SBR and fill out a different form to register it and and pay the tax etc. I've never done an SBR. I would like to but have never done one. $200 a pop extra tax plus certain labeling and serial number requirements and filling out the registration forms is more than I need at the moment.

There is another class of weapon call AOW or "any other weapon". These follow the same path as machine guns or SBR but the tax is only $5. These are things like pistols that are disguised and look like a common item, cane guns, stockless shotguns that are short (I think -- you can research AOW if interested), etc.

Anyway, now you know all you never knew you didn't know about machine guns.

And when I said that supposedly Texas has more machine guns than any other state, that includes both legally owned and illegal ones.
 
santafewillie said:
I figured TX to be a lot higher, but as Chad pointed out, we have Austin. Most people that I know have unregistered firearms as well as registered ones.
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In Texas, what is a "registered firearm"? I'd think Texas doesn't have a state registry and there is no federal registry.

Outside of NFA (machine guns etc)

I think the large population of Texas and the influx of people from out of state runs the numbers down there.
 
santafewillie said:
Texas is actually in the middle among the 50 states, ranking #26 by official statistics. Those statistics are for legal ownership. There's a lot of unregistered firearms in our state, the possession of them is not illegal. Your state of Montana tops the list at #1. I figured TX to be a lot higher, but as Chad pointed out, we have Austin. Most people that I know have unregistered firearms as well as registered ones.

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What is this table? Is it gun owners per 100 residents, or guns per 100 residents? I know some people have more than 1 ;)
 
Kusojiji said:
Deep fried twinkie?
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Those are awesome I remember several years ago my girlfriend and I tried them while visiting the boardwalk in Santa Cruz. Also, the Santa Cruz boardwalk really does look a lot like it did in The Lost Boys. Other neat sights around town are the small Bigfoot Discovery Museum, The Mystery Spot, and of course Roaring Camp railroads over in nearby Felton. Roaring camp runs both a train touring the redwood forest and a beach train going to and from Santa Cruz. The picnic basket lunch at roaring camp left a lot to be desired. Get some food in town instead, I recommend either Asian, BBQ, or Mexican.
 
DirtyD696 said:
Those are awesome I remember several years ago my girlfriend and I tried them while visiting the boardwalk in Santa Cruz. Also, the Santa Cruz boardwalk really does look a lot like it did in The Lost Boys. Other neat sights around town are the small Bigfoot Discovery Museum, The Mystery Spot, and of course Roaring Camp railroads over in nearby Felton. Roaring camp runs both a train touring the redwood forest and a beach train going to and from Santa Cruz. The picnic basket lunch at roaring camp left a lot to be desired. Get some food in town instead, I recommend either Asian, BBQ, or Mexican.
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I rode Roaring Camp before the trestle(s) burned down in 1976(?). They never rebuilt it and just put in a steep switchback.

I took several rides with both the Heisler and Shay. We also took the ride down (and back) to the boardwalk in the late 1980's.

I spent many a summer hanging out at the Crow's Nest, at the SC Harbor, and next door at Twin Lakes beach. :p Santa Cruz has unfortunately changed to Santa Crud.
 
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