Question about online orders and restocking fees.

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Do you have any information to back that up? I have never seen an eBay policy that says sellers must accept returns.

eBay's Buyer Protection Policy. The seller is responsible for describing the item correctly and getting it to the buyer without damage. If the item is damaged or is not as described, the policy allows buyers to file a dispute and then a claim. eBay will then look into it and make a final decision. If eBay sides with the buyer, they will force a return and take the money back from the seller. This is because the auctions are a binding contract, and if the seller doesn't fulfill those responsibilities outlined, it's a breach of the contract. It's also listed in eBay's terms and conditions that you agreed to when you registered.
 
when you list on ebay it gives you the option whether or not to accept returns. that is just for the general "i bought it, got it and changed my mind." that is part of the listing, and is upfront so that you know. ebay gives you that option, as the seller. but you also have to abide by the policy, item description and condition.
 
eBay's Buyer Protection Policy. The seller is responsible for describing the item correctly and getting it to the buyer without damage. If the item is damaged or is not as described, the policy allows buyers to file a dispute and then a claim. eBay will then look into it and make a final decision. If eBay sides with the buyer, they will force a return and take the money back from the seller. This is because the auctions are a binding contract, and if the seller doesn't fulfill those responsibilities outlined, it's a breach of the contract. It's also listed in eBay's terms and conditions that you agreed to when you registered.

Yeah, that's what I thought. It has nothing to do with 'returns', that policy has to do with undoing listings and deals that aren't as described.
 


Pre-orders exist in many cases to guarantee enough sales for a manufacturer to go into production. Without a minimum number of presales, some products might never be made.
The retailer in this case has commited to purchase the product from the manufacturer. Once the manufacturer has commited to producing the model, the retailer may not be able to cancel their order. With that in mind, they would be stuck with inventory they ordered for you (basicly a special order). If its a high ticket item, or a difficult to sell item, I would not be surprised by a restock charge in that event. But, I would expect the retailer to disclose that either at the time of the sale or as part of their stated return policy. Its likely that this preorder is considered a special order.
 
Just to add a point about the "no returns" thing on ebay, in Australia a buyer has a legal right to a refund on any product that is not fit for purpose. This goes for anything, not just ebay auctions, but ebay's policy is almost identical as far as I'm aware.
 
Pre-orders exist in many cases to guarantee enough sales for a manufacturer to go into production. Without a minimum number of presales, some products might never be made.
The retailer in this case has commited to purchase the product from the manufacturer. Once the manufacturer has commited to producing the model, the retailer may not be able to cancel their order. With that in mind, they would be stuck with inventory they ordered for you (basicly a special order). If its a high ticket item, or a difficult to sell item, I would not be surprised by a restock charge in that event. But, I would expect the retailer to disclose that either at the time of the sale or as part of their stated return policy. Its likely that this preorder is considered a special order.

This is the angle Internet Hobbies took with me. I do understand it, although I feel if a retailer and/or manufacturer has to take chances like that, they're not on very strong ground in a business sense. That's a debatable issue, but what clinched the situation for me (and apparently my bank) is that (as you mentioned) none of that was explained under their shipping or return policies. Also, as far as I know, nothing actually shipped anywhere - not even from Intermountain to the retailer, let alone from the retailer to me. If IM and Internet Hobbies expect to justify a restocking fee in scenarios like this, they might want to at least try and be ready to make and ship items within the pre-stated time frame of 6-8 weeks, rather than the 13+ weeks it took before I insisted on cancelling.
 
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I have a question that almost piggybacks on this. I ordered something from another online store only to find out it has to be shipped from Faller in Germany to the store to then be shipped to me. They had the item listed on their webpage with nothing to note that it wasn't in stock but had to be obtained from Faller and after calling about a delay they discribed the process to me, including that they only get shipments about once a month or so from Faller. Is this pretty standard? Would I not be better off finding a way to order directly from Faller or would the international shipping be too much (assuming the dealer got a break on a once a month combined order shipping from them for everything they need)?
The store has been good about answering my questions and even contacting Faller to make sure the item would be shipped with the December order or whatever, but I still wish I had known that they didn't physically have it in stock and that there was even a chance the most important Christmas gift I'm ordering for my son might not get here if something goes wrong (and there's a lot more that could go wrong than if they had it in stock).
 
Pre-orders exist in many cases to guarantee enough sales for a manufacturer to go into production. Without a minimum number of presales, some products might never be made.
The retailer in this case has commited to purchase the product from the manufacturer. Once the manufacturer has commited to producing the model, the retailer may not be able to cancel their order. With that in mind, they would be stuck with inventory they ordered for you (basicly a special order). If its a high ticket item, or a difficult to sell item, I would not be surprised by a restock charge in that event. But, I would expect the retailer to disclose that either at the time of the sale or as part of their stated return policy. Its likely that this preorder is considered a special order.

Pre-orders exist to protect the manufacturer/importer from being stuck with inventory should the project not sell. I don't like pre-orders, but nothing is wrong with this concept.

Retailers, routinely commit to purchasing product with no guarantee that the product will sell. Sometimes it sells out, sometimes the retailer gets stuck with unsold inventory. That's a risk and cost of being in business.

Re-stock charges were invented to protect the retailer from frivolous shoppers, who routinely buy, try, (wear once) and return product, and in some cases shoplifters who steal, then return items to get cash. (Common practice locally). This is a reasonable practice for return items.

Re-stocking fees for orders not filled and cancelled are not acceptable. If the product is not delivered,there is nothing to re-stock, therefore no justification for a restocking fee, no matter how much the retailer whines. Until the product is actually delivered and available for sale, it doesn't exist.

I had a similar issue with a Big Box home center; and the Credit Card company and County Consumer Affairs Department, all agreed with me that they (BB Home Center), cannot charge a re-stocking fee, for an order not delivered within a reasonable time - even "special orders" - after pre-paid purchase. Once the delivery is accepted, the circumstance changes. Ultimately, the BB Home Center refunded the (frivolous) charge.
Remember, the recent well publicized incident with the Canadian Retailer, that required customers make deposits for pre-orders, then disappeared from the face of the earth; sticking not only the consumers, but also the manufacturer/importer(s). If it wasn't for the good will of other business concerns, the consumers who made deposits or pre-paid would have had no recourse but to eat the loss.

Keep in mind the OP. Had the product been delivered within the promised time, there would have been no cancellation this discussion would not be happening.
 




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