Diesel vs Steam

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Very newbie question. I am looking to purchase my first set(HO) and I realize in real life there is a difference in Diesel vs Steam but in the model world is there a difference(if so, what)? I tried doing some searches first but didn't find an answer.

Thanks in advance.

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Hawkeye
 
Steamers have more tiny pivot points to wear out on their running gear. Other than that, they all operate on the same prinicples, a direct drive gearbox coupled to a can motor that gets its voltage either directly from the rails via wipers and wires, or from a decoder.

Generally, properly assembled and gauged engines of all kinds track and pull more cars the larger they are, just like in the real world...there are exceptions, and poorly engineered or assembled models of any type will give you problems. Also, fixed frame diesels, as they get longer, say with eight or ten drivers, or more, need wider curves for the most part, but it depends on provisions for blind drivers in concert with the prototype or only in order to let them go around tighter curves.

So, longer fixed frame, steam or diesel, will need about 20" curves as a minimum, but the manufacturer may say they need even larger curves. Articulated frames, those which hinge in the middle or which have pinned engines that pivot under the frame, will often be perfectly happy on tighter curves in the 18-22" range.
 
Very newbie question. I am looking to purchase my first set(HO) and I realize in real life there is a difference in Diesel vs Steam but in the model world is there a difference(if so, what)? I tried doing some searches first but didn't find an answer.

Thanks in advance.

PS Loving the site!

Hawkeye

Modeling is much about recreating in miniature what you like and are interested in from the real world, either present day or a historical period.

So, it boils down to whether you like steam or diesel the most, or even a combination of the two.

I don't think you can say there is a "best" in the model world, though my experience over the years has been that diesels are a bit easier to make smooth running on a layout than is steam.
 


Many smaller steamers (0-6-0 and such) will run fairly well on track that isn't billiard table flat. Larger steamers however tend to be much more picky and will let you know very quickly where any deficiencies in your track work are. Many four axle diesels will run well over rough track work. Some six axle units will also but can b every unforgiving if the track should tilt from one side to the other lifting the wheels from one rail. If that happens on a curve and the outside of the curve has the low rail your loco will derail.
 
Biggest difference: Steam is cool, diesel is not. :D

On a more serious note, go where your muse takes you. Even if your preference turns out to be harder to get the locomotives running or a little more expensive, I predict that you will be happier in the long run if you model what you really want to model, rather than settle for something second-best and then always wish you had followed your heart.
 
BTW, I chose not to look at it as an either/or question. I chose to make it an 'and' question, and have plenty of both. :D
 
You might want to pick a decade to model first. The 1950s may be the richest in allowing both steam and many first gen. diesels together. Steam was over in the US by around 1958 pretty much everywhere for daily use.
 
Cheap diesels will usually work okay. Cheap steam? Not so much. Because of all the cranks and rods and stuff, there's a lot that has to go right for a steamer to run properly, and that's assuming a good quality motor/pickups/etc. Diesels are harder to screw up (not that it isn't done). To my experience, steam tends to be pricier.

As mentioned above, diesels are much more forgiving of iffy track. Long-wheelbase steamers don't like corners, grade easements, turnouts... if you love big steam, you'll need to design your trackwork accordingly. Smaller steamers do better, but not as well as a little four-axle diesel. Diesels also tend to haul more, just because they get better traction (their configuration sticks to the track better, and they're easier to add weight to).

DCC can be a challenge with both, but moreso I think with steam, as you've usually got to put the decoder in the tender and run a cable between the two. DCC ready/equipped engines aren't much more difficult, but old school models can be a challenge.

Despite their shortcomings, steam engines are great fun to watch. There are some really nice prototypes for either... just look around, see what turns you on. :D You don't have to stick to just one, either, a lot of people do transition era (steam to diesel), and I plan to do mostly diesel with a steamer or two as excursion trains.
 
Thanks everybody for the replies. I still have a lot to think about before I start my first set up. I live in an apartment so space is limited. I think I am going to go with a Soo Line set up since that is my favorite. There were a lot of them coming through the depot in my hometown of about 700 people.

Thanks again!

Hawkeye
 


What scale are you considering? Probably "N" scale giving the apartment living conditions.
Are you looking at a "train set" or buying individual pieces, track and such?
 
I'm actually going to go with HO. I have looked at sets but I haven't made a decision yet as if I am going to go with that or by pieces individually. I suppose if I get a "set" everything would work and I wouldn't have to worry about if the parts I purchase work with each other. We'll see.
 
Not to be a wet blanket, but try to forget the concept of a "set". Train sets are almost always cheap junk made for mass-merchandising at toy stores.

It's like knife sets sold on late night TV. "Train Sets" will soon squelch any enthusiasm you might have for the hobby.

Try to buy well thought out items, one at a time. Depend on Model Railroader and Railroad Model Craftsman magazines for a while at first.
 
I got hooked on brass steam locomotives simply because they looked so damn good and ran very well. The first one I bought was a 2-8-0 Samhongsa.

I've yet seen a plastic steam locomotive ran as smooth and nice as an Overland or Boo Rim. The Boo Rim is the best running loco I have. I got a hobby shop to test run a TLT steam locomotive the other day and wasn't impressed at all on how it ran especially for the price. I would consider buying one half the price and use it as a dummy. Nice looking model with superb details.

However I'm not impressed with brass diesels by any maker so far though I have bought two only because the were/are not available in plastic prototypically. The last one had flaws that I had to correct and there was so much tweaking to get it to run smooth. Notice the pic here of it and how the hand rails post are sloppy. I also had to re decal the stripes that were crooked! Wish I had the time to kitbash and make plastic diesels prototypical.

I am totally impressed by what plastic diesels are out there now in regards to detail and price. Still sometimes I have to do a little tweaking; I am a bit fussy.

Model what you really like the look of then try to focus it too its appropriate era and place. Research can be a very fun part of the hobby.
 
Adding to what Charles said: The only "set" I would buy would be an Atlas set with a Trainman GP38-2. Easily upgraded to DCC when you are ready, and a good drive system with moderate detail.

One thing that is great about the hobby is that there are plenty of choices for the hobbyist in terms of time frame modeled, road modeled, and location modeled. If you have less space, then diesels are easier to run (4 axle GPs and SWs). If you still want large steam engines, get one or two, and run it at the club layout. The majority of folks' locomotives I work on only get run on the club layout, because the owners either don't have a layout large enough, or don't have a personal layout at all.
 




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