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I heard he wasnt going to Florida this year,,,,,,,,,,,someone made the naughty list!!!
Naw! It's a rare thing if it hits 0deg.F around here. Good thing too as it's a damp cold and will penetrate the warmest of clothing.
Now here's a little reading about cold and people returning from Mexico wearing their Bermuda shorts
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/edmonton-goes-into-deep-freeze/article1398924/ and the not so funny
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/dangerously-cold-weather-hits-prairies/article1398730/
It's about 38F outside now at 11:07PM not too bad for this time of year but I'm sure enjoying these sunny days we're having. It may not be like Florida but then again I don't have to mow the grass
Cheers
Willis
Go ring the bell for the Salvation Army. Read 'A Christmas Carol' by Charles Dickens. Buy a gift for Toys for Tots. I heard that this is the first year they will not make their goal. These are all things that get me going. Of course, I'm a Christmasy kind of guy this time of year.
The Hydrocal I've been using takes about 30 minutes to dry so usually there's plenty of time to work with it but I usually use about a half pint of water at a time so as not to waste too much of the stuff. Although if you do have any unused stuff save it and breat it up and spray it with a suitable color and use it for Tallus along the tracks as thoughj it fallen down from the hills/cliffs above. Your probably well aware of that trick too though.
I did forget to mention earlier that I also form a a general shape base from Card board cut to the general shape and then a cardboard web is formed over that as a basis for the crumpled paper bags which are held down by one means or another. Once dry the Hydrocal form a very sturdy structure even if you wanted to apply many rock molds castings to them and when dry they add to the over all strength.
You mentioned about the mountains needing to be sturdy because of there size,m well the thin shell method, once dry, does give you a sturdy mountain due to the tensel strength of the Hydrocal. If it's only a layer or two thick
you probaly couldn't walk on it but I'll bet you could sure brace yourself against it. It's not weak in the least.
I'll have some good size hills to construct myself and I'm going to use the thin shell method also.
Something that has happened on the last layout when applying the thin shell mountain sides and the rock castintgs was that at various locations it was a close shave for the engines to pass bye and I haope to again create this effect as it adds a bit of drama to the operation. The same could apply to a large toppled tree near the tracks.
If you have any neighbors with boys from 8-12 years old that don't have a lot for Christmas, maybe you could pick up an inexpensive train set and give it to them. Athearn, Atlas, and Bachmann all have them for under $100. I'd probably go with an Athearn set, just because they will run when the crap has been beaten out of them.
Last Christmas I picked up an old iMac at a yard sale, and gave it to a neighbor's 14 year old boy. He was as happy as if I'd given him the keys to a new car.
Sandy you can always go christmas shopping, I can use a new landscape trailer or another ZTR Mower or a front Mower!
your choice of course!!!!
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Hi Everyone!
I appreciate all the input on types of plaster. Guess I should have started a separate thread on this so the non-coffee drinkers could benefit from the info.
The top level of hills are covered now, but I have about three times that to do on the 2nd and 1st level. I most definitely will change the type of plaster from "P of P" to one of those recommended. All I am trying to do with this application is to cap the plaster gauze for added strength and also to contour the surface more toward a natural shape. Any rock outcroppings are done with molds or by hand carving added globs of plaster. I would still like to know how the Pro's cover an interior wall of a house with plaster and mix up enough at one time to make progress. Do you think they may use some kind of retardant?
Glenn: Thanks for the info. It would be difficult for me to get over to B'hm in time. I may try to find someone that supplies painters/contractors and see if they have Hydrocal or can order it for me. I first will check Lowes and see if they have molding plaster in the brand Jeffrey and Jim suggested.
Karl: Yup...old school, tried and bonafide! The first problem for me to using foam is finding foam over 1" thick down here. For anything over 12" high, I would have a lot of layers...too many! Mess??? Man, you ain't seen nuttin unless you saw me trying my hand with foam. There were shavings everywhere: under, over, and flying in the air.
Nothing wrong with foam...I just ain't no good at it!
David: Again, really good to have you back on here. This place along with the hobby is one of the best things going for us to temporarily forget some of the more distressing parts of our world. I have tried the paper towel method and couldn't get enough plaster soaked-in to have the strength I was looking for. I would rather pay for the plaster gauze, then cap it with additional plaster, and quickly get done with those steps. As stated, my detailing of crevices and rock formations are done with added plaster: by mold or carving. Another trick is to add vermiculite to add texture to the plaster surface; you really have to be careful with this as it has a tendency to suck the moisture out of the plaster.
Just a note: The first mountain I built was in Bangkok, Thailand in 1969; materials were there, but hard to find. I stripped some 12awg solid wire and made a form that was a rough shape of mountain. I then crinkled up some alum foil and formed it around the frame. I painted it and wala: not too bad. The wife reminded me of paper mache (w/flour) and the next attempt used it over the same frame, but covered with window screen. Better!
I appreciate all the input on types of plaster. Guess I should have started a separate thread on this so the non-coffee drinkers could benefit from the info.
The top level of hills are covered now, but I have about three times that to do on the 2nd and 1st level. I most definitely will change the type of plaster from "P of P" to one of those recommended. All I am trying to do with this application is to cap the plaster gauze for added strength and also to contour the surface more toward a natural shape. Any rock outcroppings are done with molds or by hand carving added globs of plaster. I would still like to know how the Pro's cover an interior wall of a house with plaster and mix up enough at one time to make progress. Do you think they may use some kind of retardant?
Glenn: Thanks for the info. It would be difficult for me to get over to B'hm in time. I may try to find someone that supplies painters/contractors and see if they have Hydrocal or can order it for me. I first will check Lowes and see if they have molding plaster in the brand Jeffrey and Jim suggested.
Karl: Yup...old school, tried and bonafide!
The first problem for me to using foam is finding foam over 1" thick down here. For anything over 12" high, I would have a lot of layers...too many! Mess??? Man, you ain't seen nuttin unless you saw me trying my hand with foam. There were shavings everywhere: under, over, and flying in the air. Nothing wrong with foam...I just ain't no good at it!
David: Again, really good to have you back on here. This place along with the hobby is one of the best things going for us to temporarily forget some of the more distressing parts of our world. I have tried the paper towel method and couldn't get enough plaster soaked-in to have the strength I was looking for. I would rather pay for the plaster gauze, then cap it with additional plaster, and quickly get done with those steps. As stated, my detailing of crevices and rock formations are done with added plaster: by mold or carving. Another trick is to add vermiculite to add texture to the plaster surface; you really have to be careful with this as it has a tendency to suck the moisture out of the plaster.
Just a note: The first mountain I built was in Bangkok, Thailand in 1969; materials were there, but hard to find. I stripped some 12awg solid wire and made a form that was a rough shape of mountain. I then crinkled up some alum foil and formed it around the frame. I painted it and wala: not too bad
. The wife reminded me of paper mache (w/flour) and the next attempt used it over the same frame, but covered with window screen. Better!
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Trussrod
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Say Karl,
You said: Finally off to the assisted living facility to visit my Dad. Mom's dementia issues had come to a head yesterday and the staff had her removed and taken to the hospital. They caught her trying to choke my Dad. She's been a little goofy lately, but now she has gotten to be a danger to herself and others, and extremely beligerent to the nursing staff. They can't fix the dementia so the plan is now to medicate her mood to a point where she's tolorable.
My Mom had a Large Stroke four years ago and developed Dimentia, the first stage of Alzheimers. After I gave her these four things in about a week the Dimentia went away and her thinking was normal again!! I've now seen this happen on three different occassions when these supplments were stopped by the convalescent hospitals error.
They'll help your Mom and Dad too! It's hard seeing parentrs getting older.
There are four items readly available at, 'Allstar Health.com', and fairly reasonably too or at a local health food store at a higher cost. I also take these items and feel much better than before taking them.
1st. Nattokinase [Capsules], An enzyme that cleans out the Veins & Arteries for improved blood flow. Good for most everyone, just be aware it is a bit of a blood thinner so if your Mom is taking any other blood thinner check with her doctor first. Interesting thing about this product it leaves no residue as it cleans things out!!
2nd. Hupperzine A to improive the memory and give more clariety.
3rd. Alpohalipoic Acid high in Antioxidents to help the immune system.
4th. DHA - a consentrated Omega 3 fish oil
This information came from the Health Science Institute. As I said I've personally seen it work with my Mom.
Take care,
David
You said: Finally off to the assisted living facility to visit my Dad. Mom's dementia issues had come to a head yesterday and the staff had her removed and taken to the hospital. They caught her trying to choke my Dad. She's been a little goofy lately, but now she has gotten to be a danger to herself and others, and extremely beligerent to the nursing staff. They can't fix the dementia so the plan is now to medicate her mood to a point where she's tolorable.
My Mom had a Large Stroke four years ago and developed Dimentia, the first stage of Alzheimers. After I gave her these four things in about a week the Dimentia went away and her thinking was normal again!! I've now seen this happen on three different occassions when these supplments were stopped by the convalescent hospitals error.
They'll help your Mom and Dad too! It's hard seeing parentrs getting older.
There are four items readly available at, 'Allstar Health.com', and fairly reasonably too or at a local health food store at a higher cost. I also take these items and feel much better than before taking them.
1st. Nattokinase [Capsules], An enzyme that cleans out the Veins & Arteries for improved blood flow. Good for most everyone, just be aware it is a bit of a blood thinner so if your Mom is taking any other blood thinner check with her doctor first. Interesting thing about this product it leaves no residue as it cleans things out!!
2nd. Hupperzine A to improive the memory and give more clariety.
3rd. Alpohalipoic Acid high in Antioxidents to help the immune system.
4th. DHA - a consentrated Omega 3 fish oil
This information came from the Health Science Institute. As I said I've personally seen it work with my Mom.
Take care,
David
Trussrod
Well-Known Member
Good Afternoon to all,
Well, I went up on the roof last night, when the rain let up, and drained the swamp cooler as I think it was collecting more water and somehow leaking down the inlet flu and causing the leaks. So far, and it rained a little bit too - although maybe I had better not speak too quick, there are no more drips, Thank God! But I don't think the problem is solved quite yet?
I see we are getting new members which is a good sign to keep the forum alive, G Collin is the newest I think.
Hope everyone has a very good week and month for that matter and Christmas!
God bless us all!
Well, I went up on the roof last night, when the rain let up, and drained the swamp cooler as I think it was collecting more water and somehow leaking down the inlet flu and causing the leaks. So far, and it rained a little bit too - although maybe I had better not speak too quick, there are no more drips, Thank God! But I don't think the problem is solved quite yet?
I see we are getting new members which is a good sign to keep the forum alive, G Collin is the newest I think.
Hope everyone has a very good week and month for that matter and Christmas!
God bless us all!
vato loco
Just a Foolish Saint!
Weather Up Date!
This Morning Low of 72* this afternoon High of 83* Tomarrow should get a little warmer! Sure feels like Christmas down here hope Santa's got some bermuda shorts when he comes to florida! Right now the sun has gone down but the humidity is up there still!
My local News,
Gator shows up for christmas!
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/offbeat/palm-harbor-gator-capture-121009
"Don't ya hate it when the MIL shows up!"
This Morning Low of 72* this afternoon High of 83*
Tomarrow should get a little warmer! Sure feels like Christmas down here hope Santa's got some bermuda shorts when he comes to florida! Right now the sun has gone down but the humidity is up there still!My local News,
Gator shows up for christmas!
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/offbeat/palm-harbor-gator-capture-121009
"Don't ya hate it when the MIL shows up!"
Trussrod
Well-Known Member
Say Rex,
You said:
David: Again, really good to have you back on here. This place along with the hobby is one of the best things going for us to temporarily forget some of the more distressing parts of our world.
>> Yes, we both need this for sure! Lets hope things don't get worse but I think they will!
You said:
I have tried the paper towel method and couldn't get enough plaster soaked-in to have the strength I was looking for.
>> Hydrocal comes in different strengths, if I remember as well as different drying times like the Dura-Bond mentioned. I just mix up a thick soupy consistency and dip the paper towels in it for a couple of seconds and apply it over a lightly pre-wetted surface of crumpled heavy brown paper bags wetted with water with a few drops of dish soap added to act as a wetting agent which also allows the Hydrocal to adhere better. It usually forms a hard thin shell over whatever the terrain and can always be gone over again if you want but I have not found the need to do so but your choice. It's also very light weight that way if you need to build an section of hill that you need to remove from time to time. The only draw back to using Hydrocal & the Thin Shell method for hills and contures is that there is no real thickness for some depth in planting trees yet the ones I have done seemed to stay in place very well but I think some of the spray on foam insulation, use the lowers expansion rate, will solve any poroblem like that, you might even be able to spread that foam out so as not to be too thick?
It's a good thing I'm talking to you about this as I'm going to need removable hills/cliffs like this on my layout to access track and a hidden yard, dumb move on my part but it did afford storage of the trains.
>>
You said:
I would rather pay for the plaster gauze, then cap it with additional plaster, and quickly get done with those steps.
>>Isn't the PG meant to be wet with water to form a cast? It should work the same on the layout?
As stated, my detailing of crevices and rock formations are done with added plaster: by mold or carving. Another trick is to add vermiculite to add texture to the plaster surface; you really have to be careful with this as it has a tendency to suck the moisture out of the plaster.
>> Are you familiar with pouring your casting material into the mold and while it is just starting to set up but still flexable to apply it to an uneven hill side or around a corner or into a crevis? Just be sure again to lightly pre-wet the area to get good adheasion.
>>
Just a note: The first mountain I built was in Bangkok, Thailand in 1969; materials were there, but hard to find. I stripped some 12awg solid wire and made a form that was a rough shape of mountain. I then crinkled up some alum foil and formed it around the frame. I painted it and wala: not too bad. The wife reminded me of paper mache (w/flour) and the next attempt used it over the same frame, but covered with window screen. Better!
>> Try the method I suggested above, I think you'll like it!
Maybe we should move this to the scenery section of the forum?
Take care,
David
You said:
David: Again, really good to have you back on here. This place along with the hobby is one of the best things going for us to temporarily forget some of the more distressing parts of our world.
>> Yes, we both need this for sure! Lets hope things don't get worse but I think they will!
You said:
I have tried the paper towel method and couldn't get enough plaster soaked-in to have the strength I was looking for.
>> Hydrocal comes in different strengths, if I remember as well as different drying times like the Dura-Bond mentioned. I just mix up a thick soupy consistency and dip the paper towels in it for a couple of seconds and apply it over a lightly pre-wetted surface of crumpled heavy brown paper bags wetted with water with a few drops of dish soap added to act as a wetting agent which also allows the Hydrocal to adhere better. It usually forms a hard thin shell over whatever the terrain and can always be gone over again if you want but I have not found the need to do so but your choice. It's also very light weight that way if you need to build an section of hill that you need to remove from time to time. The only draw back to using Hydrocal & the Thin Shell method for hills and contures is that there is no real thickness for some depth in planting trees yet the ones I have done seemed to stay in place very well but I think some of the spray on foam insulation, use the lowers expansion rate, will solve any poroblem like that, you might even be able to spread that foam out so as not to be too thick?
It's a good thing I'm talking to you about this as I'm going to need removable hills/cliffs like this on my layout to access track and a hidden yard, dumb move on my part but it did afford storage of the trains.
>>
You said:
I would rather pay for the plaster gauze, then cap it with additional plaster, and quickly get done with those steps.
>>Isn't the PG meant to be wet with water to form a cast? It should work the same on the layout?
As stated, my detailing of crevices and rock formations are done with added plaster: by mold or carving. Another trick is to add vermiculite to add texture to the plaster surface; you really have to be careful with this as it has a tendency to suck the moisture out of the plaster.
>> Are you familiar with pouring your casting material into the mold and while it is just starting to set up but still flexable to apply it to an uneven hill side or around a corner or into a crevis? Just be sure again to lightly pre-wet the area to get good adheasion.
>>
Just a note: The first mountain I built was in Bangkok, Thailand in 1969; materials were there, but hard to find. I stripped some 12awg solid wire and made a form that was a rough shape of mountain. I then crinkled up some alum foil and formed it around the frame. I painted it and wala: not too bad. The wife reminded me of paper mache (w/flour) and the next attempt used it over the same frame, but covered with window screen. Better!
>> Try the method I suggested above, I think you'll like it!
Maybe we should move this to the scenery section of the forum?
Take care,
David
kbkchooch
Verified Human
I heard he wasnt going to Florida this year,,,,,,,,,,,someone made the naughty list!!!
Sandy
Member
Hey All!
Karl...I hope your folks are doing better. I work with clients with dementia and I know that it is a difficult time in the lives of their families. I'll keep yours in my prayers.
Larry...I hope your FIL is feeling better this evening. He's been added to my prayer list as well.
David...Welcome back. Sounds like your life is full and maybe overflowing!
Jeffrey...That sink repair story gave me the heebie jeebies! I have absolutely no aptitude for fix it jobs. I am always amazed how people can figure out how things work and should be fixed.
Jim...As I sit here watching "White Christmas", I am trying so hard to get into the Christmas mood. I have been listening to songs of the season, watching holiday movies and greeting everyone with "Merry Christmas", but it's just not happening. Any suggestions?
My sister and I drove out into the country late Friday afternoon so that I could take some 'dancing ant' pictures. (Long story) Anyhooo...I got out of the car on a fairly deserted road and as I did, my sister hollered that there was a dog running toward me. I envisioned a pit bull, but was greeted by a retriever puppy. He was a beautiful chocolate colored puppy. I petted him and he jumped into the car. I got back in and we drove around deciding what the heck to do. This puppy was PRECIOUS. He was a kisser...ew. And he seemed like a happy little guy. He insisted on sitting on my lap and kept his head on my neck. I fell in love! We drove to several farm homes to try and find his home, but to no avail. Finally, at one house, the guy told us that across the road was a house with a boarding kennel. So I went to the front door and the woman that came to the door was the sister of someone that I go to church with. She owns the grooming/kennel and said she would try to find the owner and would even post notices. He was a sweet, sweet puppy. Would love to have kept him, but he definitely belongs to someone.
Hope everyone has a great week! Merry Christmas!
Sandy
Karl...I hope your folks are doing better. I work with clients with dementia and I know that it is a difficult time in the lives of their families. I'll keep yours in my prayers.
Larry...I hope your FIL is feeling better this evening. He's been added to my prayer list as well.
David...Welcome back. Sounds like your life is full and maybe overflowing!
Jeffrey...That sink repair story gave me the heebie jeebies! I have absolutely no aptitude for fix it jobs. I am always amazed how people can figure out how things work and should be fixed.
Jim...As I sit here watching "White Christmas", I am trying so hard to get into the Christmas mood. I have been listening to songs of the season, watching holiday movies and greeting everyone with "Merry Christmas", but it's just not happening. Any suggestions?
My sister and I drove out into the country late Friday afternoon so that I could take some 'dancing ant' pictures. (Long story) Anyhooo...I got out of the car on a fairly deserted road and as I did, my sister hollered that there was a dog running toward me. I envisioned a pit bull, but was greeted by a retriever puppy. He was a beautiful chocolate colored puppy. I petted him and he jumped into the car. I got back in and we drove around deciding what the heck to do. This puppy was PRECIOUS. He was a kisser...ew. And he seemed like a happy little guy. He insisted on sitting on my lap and kept his head on my neck. I fell in love! We drove to several farm homes to try and find his home, but to no avail. Finally, at one house, the guy told us that across the road was a house with a boarding kennel. So I went to the front door and the woman that came to the door was the sister of someone that I go to church with. She owns the grooming/kennel and said she would try to find the owner and would even post notices. He was a sweet, sweet puppy. Would love to have kept him, but he definitely belongs to someone.
Hope everyone has a great week! Merry Christmas!
Sandy
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CBCNSfan
Registered Member
Naw! It's a rare thing if it hits 0deg.F around here. Good thing too as it's a damp cold and will penetrate the warmest of clothing.
Now here's a little reading about cold and people returning from Mexico wearing their Bermuda shorts
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/edmonton-goes-into-deep-freeze/article1398924/ and the not so funny
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/dangerously-cold-weather-hits-prairies/article1398730/
It's about 38F outside now at 11:07PM not too bad for this time of year but I'm sure enjoying these sunny days we're having. It may not be like Florida but then again I don't have to mow the grass
Cheers
Willis
jeffrey-wimberly
Dr Frankendiesel
Hey guys, it's been a tiresome day for me. I'm gonna have to talk to the doc about increased antibiotic dosage he has me on. It's making me so tired I don't want to do anything and that just doesn't seem normal to me. I've only been away from the bed three or four times today and not for very long each time. I hope the rest of you had a much better day.
Secondhandmodeler
All new now!
Go ring the bell for the Salvation Army. Read 'A Christmas Carol' by Charles Dickens. Buy a gift for Toys for Tots. I heard that this is the first year they will not make their goal. These are all things that get me going. Of course, I'm a Christmasy kind of guy this time of year.
pcarrell
Just a guy
OK, so you're probably gonna be wondering where I'm going with this, but just hang in with me here, alright?
Saint Nicholas, as you may know, was a real guy. He lived in the late 200's through the mid 300's. As you may have guessed, he had a real spirit for giving. He also expected nothing in return for his kind deeds. As such, he often gave in secret. This is how the legend of Santa got started.
Well, we have a real Saint Nicholas right here on this forum! He intended to give in secret, but I think he deserves recognition for his kind deeds in the hopes of drawing others into following suit.
Larry (Leghome) is truely one who has a giving spirit.
See, my wife and I have been helping a young lady get a fresh start in life after being in a very rough situation. Things are beginning to come together for her, but she doesn't have much, ya know? So anyways, she saved up a few bucks, and with the kindness of some fine folks that we've met, she has a small trailer to live in. She needed furniture for the place though, so we appealed to our church family and others, and she has a few key pieces of funiture now.
This is the part where Larry comes in.........
So Larry hears of what's going on, and being handy, and local, PM's me to ask if she needs any lighting. I replied back that she actually could use some. He tells me he'll call in a couple of days to help out with that.
Well, this evening I went over to Larry's place (NICE layout Larry!!!!) and picked up two table lamps for Billie (the young lady). But that's not all.......these aren't just any lamps. Larry MADE them! Yeah, two gorgeuous, hand made, white oak lamps!
When Billie found out about them, she started crying. She saw them and fell in love with them. She put them in her bedroom because she keeps all of her special stuff there.
Larry....Billie thanks you, and so do my wife and I. Your generous gift is MOST appreciated.
Now, I say we all take a lesson from our friend Larry. So go out and do something nice for someone.....and do it without expecting anything in return........just like Saint Nicholas........just like Larry!
Thanks Larry!
Saint Nicholas, as you may know, was a real guy. He lived in the late 200's through the mid 300's. As you may have guessed, he had a real spirit for giving. He also expected nothing in return for his kind deeds. As such, he often gave in secret. This is how the legend of Santa got started.
Well, we have a real Saint Nicholas right here on this forum! He intended to give in secret, but I think he deserves recognition for his kind deeds in the hopes of drawing others into following suit.
Larry (Leghome) is truely one who has a giving spirit.
See, my wife and I have been helping a young lady get a fresh start in life after being in a very rough situation. Things are beginning to come together for her, but she doesn't have much, ya know? So anyways, she saved up a few bucks, and with the kindness of some fine folks that we've met, she has a small trailer to live in. She needed furniture for the place though, so we appealed to our church family and others, and she has a few key pieces of funiture now.
This is the part where Larry comes in.........
So Larry hears of what's going on, and being handy, and local, PM's me to ask if she needs any lighting. I replied back that she actually could use some. He tells me he'll call in a couple of days to help out with that.
Well, this evening I went over to Larry's place (NICE layout Larry!!!!) and picked up two table lamps for Billie (the young lady). But that's not all.......these aren't just any lamps. Larry MADE them! Yeah, two gorgeuous, hand made, white oak lamps!
When Billie found out about them, she started crying. She saw them and fell in love with them. She put them in her bedroom because she keeps all of her special stuff there.
Larry....Billie thanks you, and so do my wife and I. Your generous gift is MOST appreciated.
Now, I say we all take a lesson from our friend Larry. So go out and do something nice for someone.....and do it without expecting anything in return........just like Saint Nicholas........just like Larry!
Thanks Larry!
Very thoughtful of you Larry. Yes, Philip sharing is something we should all think about...all the time.
David: Thank you for the suggestions. It's just working with the plaster for the cap that I have so much trouble with mixing and every time I start one of these projects. I get it done, but it is frustrating. The reason for using the cardboard webbing method, PG, and plaster cap is the size of the mountains/hills that I have done and have yet to do. They require a very strong support just to hold themselves up.
David: Thank you for the suggestions. It's just working with the plaster for the cap that I have so much trouble with mixing and every time I start one of these projects. I get it done, but it is frustrating. The reason for using the cardboard webbing method, PG, and plaster cap is the size of the mountains/hills that I have done and have yet to do. They require a very strong support just to hold themselves up.
Trussrod
Well-Known Member
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The Hydrocal I've been using takes about 30 minutes to dry so usually there's plenty of time to work with it but I usually use about a half pint of water at a time so as not to waste too much of the stuff. Although if you do have any unused stuff save it and breat it up and spray it with a suitable color and use it for Tallus along the tracks as thoughj it fallen down from the hills/cliffs above. Your probably well aware of that trick too though.
I did forget to mention earlier that I also form a a general shape base from Card board cut to the general shape and then a cardboard web is formed over that as a basis for the crumpled paper bags which are held down by one means or another. Once dry the Hydrocal form a very sturdy structure even if you wanted to apply many rock molds castings to them and when dry they add to the over all strength.
You mentioned about the mountains needing to be sturdy because of there size,m well the thin shell method, once dry, does give you a sturdy mountain due to the tensel strength of the Hydrocal. If it's only a layer or two thick
you probaly couldn't walk on it but I'll bet you could sure brace yourself against it. It's not weak in the least.
I'll have some good size hills to construct myself and I'm going to use the thin shell method also.
Something that has happened on the last layout when applying the thin shell mountain sides and the rock castintgs was that at various locations it was a close shave for the engines to pass bye and I haope to again create this effect as it adds a bit of drama to the operation. The same could apply to a large toppled tree near the tracks.
Sounds like the Christmas spirit found you, in the form of that puppy.
If you have any neighbors with boys from 8-12 years old that don't have a lot for Christmas, maybe you could pick up an inexpensive train set and give it to them. Athearn, Atlas, and Bachmann all have them for under $100. I'd probably go with an Athearn set, just because they will run when the crap has been beaten out of them.
Last Christmas I picked up an old iMac at a yard sale, and gave it to a neighbor's 14 year old boy. He was as happy as if I'd given him the keys to a new car.
vato loco
Just a Foolish Saint!
Sandy you can always go christmas shopping, I can use a new landscape trailer or another ZTR Mower or a front Mower!
your choice of course!!!!
jeffrey-wimberly
Dr Frankendiesel
Good morning. It's 55, foggy and damp. The high today will be in the mid 60's and there's a 60% chance of rain.
Ever been so tired you couldn't sleep? That was me last night. Maybe I'll be able to get some sleep later today. One thing I have to do is check the pipes under the trailer to make sure they're wrapped properly. I'm looking forward to that like root canal surgery. I've never done well in close spaces. My younger sister locked me in a closet when I was 12. I had never liked tight spaces even then. I busted the door down and commenced to beat the crap out of her. The only thing that stopped me was an immense silver sheppard that stood 30 inches at the shoulder! You don't argue with a dog that big! Suffice it to say, I still get panicked in cramped spaces. The hardest part will be taking down the skirting. It's made up of sheets of galvanized V-crimp steel that are screwed together. Putting them in place was easy, 14 years ago. Hopefully that will be the only thing on the schedule today.
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Ever been so tired you couldn't sleep? That was me last night. Maybe I'll be able to get some sleep later today. One thing I have to do is check the pipes under the trailer to make sure they're wrapped properly. I'm looking forward to that like root canal surgery. I've never done well in close spaces. My younger sister locked me in a closet when I was 12. I had never liked tight spaces even then. I busted the door down and commenced to beat the crap out of her. The only thing that stopped me was an immense silver sheppard that stood 30 inches at the shoulder! You don't argue with a dog that big! Suffice it to say, I still get panicked in cramped spaces. The hardest part will be taking down the skirting. It's made up of sheets of galvanized V-crimp steel that are screwed together. Putting them in place was easy, 14 years ago. Hopefully that will be the only thing on the schedule today.
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tompm
Active Member
Good morning folks
It was 36 F on the thermometer in the van this morning. High will be 48 F. Despite the reading on the thermometer I still encounter a few icy patches on the roads near the house.
Saturday I took my son to the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia where he earned his Mammal Study Merit badge for Boy Scouts. Since he has Boy Scouts tonight he will turn in his blue card to his Scoutmaster to get credit for the badge.
Yesterday was Christmas pictures for the kids. Now we can finally get the Christmas cards mailed.
My son and I discussed his ideas for the layout. We also talked about the Railroading Merit Badge since much of what he has been doing lately would count he should start formally working on it.
I hope everybody has a good day.
It was 36 F on the thermometer in the van this morning. High will be 48 F. Despite the reading on the thermometer I still encounter a few icy patches on the roads near the house.
Saturday I took my son to the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia where he earned his Mammal Study Merit badge for Boy Scouts. Since he has Boy Scouts tonight he will turn in his blue card to his Scoutmaster to get credit for the badge.
Yesterday was Christmas pictures for the kids. Now we can finally get the Christmas cards mailed.
My son and I discussed his ideas for the layout. We also talked about the Railroading Merit Badge since much of what he has been doing lately would count he should start formally working on it.
I hope everybody has a good day.
blownoutcylinder
Active Member
Good Morning--
Today is all dull and dribbly--some freezing drizzle showed up this morning and now we're just getting a few showers.
We're going to be somewhat lazy today--what with all that dang running around getting stuff and taking Audrey to the hospital yesterday--found out she did get a hairline crack in one of her metatarsels in her foot, which required a walking cast, to her AKA "mooring anchor"
So we's be slow today--
Jeff was there no kind of access door to the underside of the trailer on the skirting?
How much height is there to that space?
Philip I'll say the same thing! Thanks LARRY!!
Have a good safe day people--
Today is all dull and dribbly--some freezing drizzle showed up this morning and now we're just getting a few showers.
We're going to be somewhat lazy today--what with all that dang running around getting stuff and taking Audrey to the hospital yesterday--found out she did get a hairline crack in one of her metatarsels in her foot, which required a walking cast, to her AKA "mooring anchor"
So we's be slow today--
Jeff was there no kind of access door to the underside of the trailer on the skirting?
How much height is there to that space?Philip I'll say the same thing! Thanks LARRY!!
Have a good safe day people--
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