Santa Fe End of Train Question

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nephthyr

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With respect to the Santa Fe, since that's what I'm modeling:

Most freights got a Way-Car (Caboose) but what about passenger trains? An observation car? What about short branchline trainsthat only had coaches and no observation car?

Also on the topic of branchlines, would it have been uncommon to see a mixed train with both passenger and freight cars? Would such a train have had a Caboose?

Thanks in advance!
 
As Jerome said, the time period means a lot. In general, passenger trains never had a caboose. Only the premiere name trains had observation cars. Most passenger trains ended with the last car in the consist, usually a coach, although it could be anything from a Pullman to a baggage car. They just hung markers off the sides of the last car. Mixed freights generally used a combine as the last car with the conductor having a desk in the last row of the passenger seats of the combine. There was rarely a caboose used with mixed trains unless the usually assigned combine was in for repair.
 


All trains regardless of era or type are required to display "markers" that denote the end of the train.

The rules vary by railroad, how many mains there were, whether the train was moving or stopped, on a main or a siding, etc, etc., so if you want a really, really detailed answer consult a rule book for your railroad and era.

Having said that, the general rule, which is also consistant across railroads, train types and eras, is that the rear cars has to display a red marker to the rear. That marker can be a red flag, lanterns on the ends of the car, a red light or lights built into the car, a reflective red panel or an EOTD.

So if its a passenger train, it might have lamps on the sides of the car ends (much like a caboose) displaying red to the rear, or maybe just a red flag on the rear car.

The purpose of the marker is generally misunderstood. Its original intent was NOT like an automotive tail light or a stop warning. What it said was, "Tha that's, tha that's, tha that's all folks!". It told opposing trains that the entire train had arrived or was by a train or location. Until a train saw the marker go by it could not assume that an opposing train had arrived. The train may have had to double into the station, the train may have broken in two (very common back in the link and pin eras when the rules were originally written) so there may be a portion of the train still sitting on the main track. Untill that marker came by and told the train being met that the WHOLE train had arrived, the train being met couldn't leave the station.

By the way, the vast, vast, vast majority of passenger trains (maybe 1000:1) ran without observation cars. Its just people liked to photograph and model the high end trains with observation cars. There might be 200 commuter and short haul trains operate out of a major station for every one premium train with an observation. Regardless of whether the train had an observation or not or a caboose, the same marker rules applied.

Dave H.
 
Small branchlines back then most likely would have run mixed trains as part of a wayfreight since there might not be enough ridership to serve a dedicated passenger train. The mixed train would mostly include a combine or maybe a baggage car and a coach followed by freight cars going to local business with a regular caboose on the end.
 




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