Problem track

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HO & O (3-rail) trainman
I have a 19* crossing on my layout, made by Atlas. Even though I have a feeder attached to the adjacent track, and the track is soldered and I have current, my two-axles (a few of the GPs and a switcher) stall or stop in the crossing, since the frogs are so big. Is there anything I can do to improve performance?

I know that some of the Atlas #6 and #8 can take a feeder to power the frog, but don't know if I can do the same to this crossing.

Thanks in advance for your help.
 
It seems that the engines are telling you that you have to power the diamond...or live with what you experience. You can power it with a toggle switch if you make sure the diamond is gapped on all four entrances. Just select the power orientation that you need for the approach you are using by flicking the toggle to the correct position. You would want a DPDT to switch polarity.
 
The last experiences I had w/Atlas crosses was; The Flanges on the wheels would ride up on the plastic between the rails & the engine would either derail or stop. I tried to take my Dremel & cut a deeper trough between the cross, but that didn't work. After about a month of constant problems I took out both of them & did something else.
Not saying this is "your" problem, but I know the problems I had.
 


Small crossings and small wheelbase locomotives almost always add up to trouble, especially with a 19 degree dead frog crossing like the Atlas model. As Crandell said, you may have to end up adding power feeds to the crossing. However, check the gauge of crossing itseld, the depth of the frogs, and the wheel gauge of any locomotives that are causing problems. Sometimes, it can be track that is out of gauge, wheels that are out of gauge, or frogs that are so deep the wheels drop in them, causing a loss of electrical contact. This can be correctly with some thin strips styrene glued to the bottom of the frogs. You have to do some detective work when you have track problems, since a simple wiring change may not make the situation any better.
 
Will do. Thanks, Jim.

I wasn't sure how much I could work with electrifying the frogs, since some of it is plastic. Since there may be other problems with gauge and depth, I'll do some troubleshooting before major work. I've had to pull up the crossing a couple times already (because of adjacent track alignment), and rather not again, unless absolutely necessary.
 
Is this a 'crossing' or a 'cross-over'? If all the gauges check out, and the track is all level (at grade) for the length of the engine in all four directions from the exits outward, then it has to be electrical, and probably related to the wheelbase that picks up power on the frame.

-Crandell
 
Problem solved. The issue was electrical.

Steps I took:

1) thoroughly cleaned track and then ran 4 axle locos, stalling occurred, but if you look at the crossing like an one track "x" and other track "y", then the "x" track had stalling while the "y" track was fine.
2) I pulled out the multimeter, and found out that the "Y" track had 16vAC while the "X" track had 4-5vAC. I started to look at the connections.
3) 4 out of 8 rail joiners were soldered. The "Y" track had all its connectors soldered, while the "X" track had insulated joiners on one side (start of a new power district), and the other side had the track feeders soldered to the joiners, but the joint itself was not soldered.
4) After checking with the multimeter that the feeders were in fact delivering voltage (16vAC), the problem was that the "X" track was not getting enough electrical connection.
5) Since 4 axle locomotives typically have a shorter wheelbase (between trucks) than the 6 axle units, and the 19* Atlas crossing is longer than say a 30* or 45* Atlas crossing, the 6 axle locos could make it on the "X" track since it has more electrical pickups (through 6 pairs of wheels), and when the lead truck would make the crossing, the rear truck would still be on powered track, and keep the motor running. They, in hindsight, probably stalled a little, but not enough for me to immediately notice the issue.
6) My solution was to solder the unsoldered track connectors for the "X" track, and voltage to the diamond now was a constant 16vAC for all track.
7) I tested 5 different 4 axle locos, from switchers (which gave me the most trouble there) to the GPs I have, and everything ran fine.

A happy ending!
 
Trey, good job of tracking down an elusive problem. One lesson to be learned is never depend on a rail joiner as a solder point unless the joint itself is soldered. The other is a multimeter makes it a heck of a lot easier to solve elctrical problems like this than guessing. :)
 






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