My Next Idea

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Railrunner130

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I finally came to the realization that I can't exactly fit 50 lbs. of HO-scale crap onto a 4X8 with all that I want to do. So, I figured that with the available space, I would try two 4X8s around a corner.

HOExplorers wonderful thread on his current layout has served as an inspiration. I'm trying to do a fictional Rutland Railroad. Fictional in that I think the RUT line was along the flatter, western side of Vermont and I want to incorporate more of the mountainous features.

I want to somehow incorporate a marble quarry, creamery, brewery and possibly a logging operation into it. I want the industry to be light, not the booming smokestacks of heavy industry. There will be a few other features, like a motel and a bunch of little hunting camps, possibly a farm and a few passenger stations. I really want to add a Rubbles Depot somewhere.

Here's my very rough draft, built with SCARM.

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I think the water area with a large bridge will be prominent, but not as big as seen here. The mountain portion will be up the middle of the bottom piece and across the middle of the top piece. The spurs at the top and the one at the bottom are all random thoughts that may or may not make the cut. I'm planning on adding one more on the "south" side of the big bridge that goes along the spine of the mountain. I'm also trying to figure out how/where to add one to the right of that where the two tracks come together on more of a mid-level spur.

Speaking of mid-level spurs, I'd like to take one of the upper spurs that leads nowhere and possibly shadow the lower track at a higher level. I'm not sure that would look right or perhaps it may not be tight enough to work. I'll have to play with that idea some more.

I do have some concerns about the part "south" of the big bridge where it goes over the other track and then drops down and loops under the track it just went over. Aside from looking weird, it may be too much of a grade change.

Any thoughts, concerns, ideas would be greatly appreciated.
 
Long story short, sorta.

As a kid, I was always toying around with different things, but never nailed down a single piece of track. Since I recently restarted railroading, I've toyed with a number of designs using SCARM and I've got a simple oval going on a 4X8.
 


First of all, I'm not trying to be negative about this, but the over/under from the bridge on the bottom will require extreme grades. A good rule of thumb is to allow 4 ft to drop or rise 1 inch, that's 2%. You need about 3.25 inches clearance for normal HO operations, more for modern equipment; that would require 6 1/2" of combination (rise on one line and descent on the other) grade changes in about 6 ft. based on your drawing. I think that works out to roughly 5% on both lines. It can be done but you might be limited to very short trains. Your vertical easement might get you as well.
willie
 
Don't be afraid of suggestive concepts.

Long story short, sorta.

As a kid, I was always toying around with different things, but never nailed down a single piece of track.

Oh good! That's the best place to be. The only two things I would suggest is start small. Build a couple of dioramas. Nothing major, but something to gain experience with. Also, don't be afraid of suggestive concepts, meaning if you want to incorporate a marble quarry, creamery, brewery and possibly a logging operation into the layout, simply present the "suggestion" that they exist by modeling some form of them. As an example, in one of my modeling books, the author has an explosives factory where there is no room to model it. He simply ran a section of track behind a foliage scenery block. He then installed a length of fence/gate across the track with a sign denoting the presence of said factory. Another example is our own Jeffrey-Wimberly has many types of rolling stock on his railroad with no lineside industries to serve. Every train is a through train! Lastly, my Broake & Howe Railroad is much bigger, busier in my minds eye than on the actual layout itself. When I tell the story of who, what, where and when on my railroad, then it indeed exists.
 
On my Gizmo-Pacific Railroad an environmental lawsuit was recently filed by tree huggers to stall my proposed RR equipment salvage yard. But I have my own attorney friends so pretty sure I'll be moving the junk into the lot soon inspite of their attempt at manipulation. :)
 
First of all, I'm not trying to be negative about this, but the over/under from the bridge on the bottom will require extreme grades. A good rule of thumb is to allow 4 ft to drop or rise 1 inch, that's 2%. You need about 3.25 inches clearance for normal HO operations, more for modern equipment; that would require 6 1/2" of combination (rise on one line and descent on the other) grade changes in about 6 ft. based on your drawing. I think that works out to roughly 5% on both lines. It can be done but you might be limited to very short trains. Your vertical easement might get you as well.
willie

This is exactly what I'm looking for feedback on! Thanks!

Old97-

Thanks! I see what you're getting at.
 
Hi Railrunner -

Will your layout actually be located in a corner, with the back edges of each 4x8 up against a wall?

If so, how will you reach the back part of the layout to fix a derailment or even to lay track or add scenery? A 30-inch reach is the maximum for most people, and 24 inches is about the maximum for actually doing any construction. I don't know of anyone with 48-inch arms!

It could be a nice layout, though, if you have access from all sides.

- Jeff
 
With 2 4x8's you can make a nice "L" style switching layout thats anywhere from 18-30" in depth and 8x8 or whatever configuration you wanted. You could also make a "U" shape layout or even a 8x12 layout. Lots more action to be had there and a lot easier to construct and add scenery, tending to derailments.
 
i agree with photogdad

If you change your dogbone into say a u shape it will be easier.

I wouldnt jump into trying to construct that big of a crossover section with that much grade just yet. You can do alot with a U-shape layout. If you can get more length then your grade wouldnt be so steep. How many cars do you invision on pulling around your layout?

Where do these cars come from? how does this have a connection from the outside world, or does it not? Where do you plan on parking your rolling stock, on or off the layout? Adding a yard to this and maybe a interchange track/staging track could add alot more realism to your layout.

4x8s are ok if really you dont have much room at all to work with, but honestly with that amount of space 2 4x8s take up and that corner section you could have alot more if you change your design. Think of the floor space just 2 4x8s will eat up, you need to be able to walk around the 2 4x8s to have access

Its just a suggestion but what if you divided those 4x8s in half to give you 2 feet wide sections. You could make a around room style layout, you would gain alot more mainline running, you could have staging easily. A good sized yard to work with, you could have bridges and whatever else you want...

You need to try and think up what you want to be able to do with this layout? How do you want to run trains? Is it just seeing trains go around and maybe having a industry to switch at. Is it having a few industries and being able to see your trains take loops around the room?

Remember this is (your) layout not ours, So build it how you want. We are only trying to give you advice so you can make the best of the space you have. Its good to not get half way into your layout build and realize it wont work. Its better to get the kinks out not then having to deal with headaches later

How big is this room your layout will be in?
 
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Hi Railrunner -

Will your layout actually be located in a corner, with the back edges of each 4x8 up against a wall?

If so, how will you reach the back part of the layout to fix a derailment or even to lay track or add scenery? A 30-inch reach is the maximum for most people, and 24 inches is about the maximum for actually doing any construction. I don't know of anyone with 48-inch arms!

It could be a nice layout, though, if you have access from all sides.

- Jeff

Good point. I did plan on putting it against the wall. I was thinking about a cut out at the corner for such events. Otherwise, it will be accessible from all other sides.

Joed- As far as a yard are concerned, I have been considering adding one on either the top or right side. Most likely, the right side would work better with the gradings.

The more I think about what Old97 said, I'm leaning towards simply building dioramas and connecting them randomly at first and then settling on something more permanent later on.

Thanks for the ideas and advice guys!
 
Railrunner- if thats what you are thinking of doing then why not start with a 2 foot section uo against the wall, maybe 4 feet long and just add on a section when you complete a section.

If you have doubts about going big at first everyone has these thoughts. Just plan your track work so you can easily add on without changing the track. Basically free-mo/modular
 
Very cool. I've been toying with the idea of starting a layout based on the railroads serving the Barre granite quarries. Lots of possibilities!

Don't think it would be directly applicable to your layout, but if you're interested in old time Vermont railroading in general, the book [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica][SIZE=-1]Sky Route to the Quarries: History of the Barre Railroad is really good.[/SIZE][/FONT]
 




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