Let’s Build a Paper Mill complex for a Friend

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Unfortunately, as I've aged my memories play tricks on me. I started to doubt my memory so I looked up the building. From where this photo was taken, I lived in the next block down.

The windows are not a continuous line, and the center section pivots in the middle. It's funny that I remembered this differently; I walked past this building twice a day for six years to and from grade school.

Incidentally, the shorter building in front is where the rail cars were pushed from the spur that ran through my back yard. The crossing is in front of the yellow residential house in the background. I lived across the street from there.

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Those windows are very similar to what I want to build. I’d have a gap like these show between windows but not that wide! Lots of debating in my mind over the 1st row of windows that will be 34” long.

Found this
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While the end wall ( with the big pipe) is interesting the better one to me is the wall facing us above the conveyor
 
You have more patience than I to cut that many windows in that length. And that's just the beginning of those windows.
Patience is not one of the virtues I possess. But slow and steady will work. I have an idea of laying out a clear strip about 36” long to give me some extra length over the 34” window openings. . Then putting the window sash together on that strip. The frames is where I am having issues envisioning. The siding (styrene .040 thick) needs a frame which is easy to add a trim piece to. But they maybe too big deep) for the image trying to be conveyed.

I think the sash while not easy can be accomplished pretty straight forward.

The friend who I am building it for said just use the commercially available windows and I gave him the product numbers. He said, OH! when he priced it out. I don’t have the design skills to have a 3d printer make these.

I sent a text to a FB “friend” who is a nationally known structure modeler asking him for some advice. I am not going for a trophy model, just something realistic. Windows are important in this structure because without them it’s just a sheet of plastic. I’ve seen too many really thick window units and I want to avoid that.

I did tune up my Chopper 2 unit yesterday, basically a new blade and tightening of everything so I get repeatable cuts. I am going to work on a 6” sample piece and see how it goes, but not for a few days.

I have not looked but all my Evergreen Scale Models siding that’s being used is .040 thick styrene. I’m not sure that they make thinner siding, yes plain sheets but not siding. The windows I’ve found online seem to be flat to the surface and not set back. Eliminating that set back is my goal.

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I’ve gotten a few more questions about the paper mill:

What is the difference between “batch” and “continuous” digesters?

Batch vs. Continuous Digesters

A digester is basically a giant “cooking pot” where wood chips are turned into pulp using chemicals. How the chips go in and the pulp comes out is what separates batch from continuous systems.

Batch digesters:
  • Work in “batches,” just like cooking a pot of soup.
  • Wood chips are loaded, cooked, then emptied all at once.
  • Easy to control, but slower and less efficient.
  • Common in older mills (1940s–early 60s).
Continuous digesters:
  • Wood chips flow in at one end, pulp comes out at the other — nonstop.
  • More efficient and consistent, and mills can run bigger volumes.
  • Requires more advanced controls, but it’s how most 1960s PNW mills were starting to upgrade.
Bottom line: Batch is slower and simpler; continuous is faster, more modern, and made sense for big mills with lots of wood

If you want a technical explanation do a search on your favorite search engine. Just copy and paste the highlighted embolden question

Most of the questions are coming from Midwest modelers who have a slight understanding of paper mills as they used to be all over some of our regions

Why are pulp logs so different between Wisconsin mills and the Pacific Northwest


In the Wisconsin River Valley, most mills used shorter soft-pine pulp logs — about 100 inches (a little over 8 feet). That’s just how the industry here was set up. The regional pines didn’t grow as tall or as big in diameter, and the mills were built around smaller debarkers, chippers, and handling systems that liked short logs.

Out in the Pacific Northwest, mills handled much bigger softwood logs — often 16–20 feet long with larger diameters — because the trees out there grew taller and straighter. Those mills had huge chip yards and bigger equipment to match.

So the log size difference really comes down to regional timber and the equipment the mills were designed for.

Will you be building a pulp logs storage yard?

The short answer is yes! Our log buyers will be buying pulp logs from PNW suppliers at around 12’ but there will be some 16’ pulp logs. How to model them has been being discussed. No clue nor have I done any research on it yet. The log picker I use in the Papers of Wisconsin, Inc. Paper mill on my layout supposely cannot handle a 12’ log.
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Why does the model look so much smaller than the prototype?

When you’re building a full 1960s paper mill in a limited space, you can’t always match real-world distances perfectly. Some buildings are a little closer together or slightly smaller than in real life, but the important parts are all there — wood yard, pulping, bleaching, paper machine, and shipping.

Compressing the complex actually helps keep things functional: logs, pulp, and finished paper still move through the mill in the right order. Equipment like conveyors, tanks, and stacks are scaled so everything looks proportional and believable.

In a review of paper mills in Camas, Washington, I found 1 paper mill that worked for me to grab ideas from

Basically, it’s like a mini version of a real mill. It may not match every square foot exactly, but it still shows all the key operations in the right sequence and gives a good sense of how a 1960s PNW paper mill worked. The Paper Machine building on the real is around 600’, here the Machine Building is 38” real inches or about 285 HO scale feet. It does what the machine hall did in its day, it dominates the complex

I hope this gives you a better understanding of what I’m doing
 
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That is what I ended up having to do when I built the Langwies Bahnhof on the RhB Arosa spur. A foot on either side of the station is scale length, but farther out than that and the track lengths are compressed somewhat. The turnouts and tracks are located correctly, they are just a bit shorter than scale in both directions.

The actual scale length of the station would be about 7+ feet. I only had a little under six feet to cram this in. It is a reasonable replica of the station and surrounding area. Only anyone who has actually been there would notice a difference.

The only reason I know this is because there is a German/Swiss site that has all of the RhB station track diagrams and lengths of each set of tracks indicated on the diagrams.

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That is what I ended up having to do when I built the Langwies Bahnhof on the RhB Arosa spur. A foot on either side of the station is scale length, but farther out than that and the track lengths are compressed somewhat. The turnouts and tracks are located correctly, they are just a bit shorter than scale in both directions.

The actual scale length of the station would be about 7+ feet. I only had a little under six feet to cram this in. It is a reasonable replica of the station and surrounding area. Only anyone who has actually been there would notice a difference.

The only reason I know this is because there is a German/Swiss site that has all of the RhB station track diagrams and lengths of each set of tracks indicated on the diagrams.

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Love it. I totally understand
 
I have approvals on all the structures but 1. That is the Wood handling complex that is going to be up against the eastern property line or to the right as you stand in the aisle looking at the paper mill. He’s leary about the conveyors that would be needed to convey the wood chips across the complex.

I’m still playing with Ai and creating renderings of the facades. I can’t get it to just give me a flat roof and just a front head on view.
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This is the DRP Complex, it contains the digester in the left tower, the middle is the Recovery boiler building and the lower building is the power annex. It is only 6” deep and 19” long with the height maxed at 14.25”. The openings, windows, doors and vents are in the correct locations and will look similar but flat roofs
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I started the digester tower’s skeleton. This is 3/8” thick Sintra board that is basically a PVC sandwich with a foam core. It’s nice to work with and I have tons of it and it was free from a layout we tore down. Over all instead of framing supports made with Evergreen Scale Models pieces the Sintra skeleton works for me. Evergreen thinks their stuff is now made of gold. It does dull the #11 blades rather quickly or the blades I have are crap! Using Excel blades for the 1st time. I reached into my knife drawer for blades and they were the next pack of 100 up. I will be laminating to the skeleton the claddings I will be using.

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There is a very real possibility this complex may actually stay on my layout. I have an alternate for the friend if I keep this one.

Three walls as the back against the backdrop isn’t needed. There are cross pieces added

Enjoy your day
 
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Well nothing railroady to report! As I sat down at a clean bench my wife comes home from shopping! No, not a good $$$ sign. Seems MY cave was in desperate need of 3 new lamps and 3 end tables that somehow all fit in the co-conspirator’s oversized SUV!

I finished playing furniture mover for end tables and lamps then was told I need new couches and chair! I asked if she purchased them already she said no you need to try them out at the furniture store! So my big overstuffed leather couch, love seat and chair are being picked up Friday by St. Vincent DePaul. The guys from Gorilla Movers will be here Wednesday to haul my stuff out to the garage for Friday’s pick up. My 2 new couches and 2 chairs will be here next week. Just on principle I said no to what the girls had picked out for colors. 2 ottomans will be here mid December.

I had plans to finish the digester today!
 
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BIG undertaking underway! I have to admire your courage here.

My lumber experience began in 1978 north of Boise Idaho. I wondered why they did not make paper there, they informed me huge amounts of water were required, not always an abundant resource. Everything was made into lumber. There was no market for edgings.

I sold tree length Aspen (usually less than 70' long) to Boise Cascade in International Falls Minnesota in 1983. They would grab the entire 45,000 pound payload in one bite with a machine similar to your model, maybe the next size up.

For paper production, the bark always comes off first. Maybe you already knew this.

I would be surprised if all the material meeting sawlog specifications was not made into lumber, logically the lower quality material would, if possible, be made into paper/cardboard.

These details do not matter unless you are going for 100 percent prototype.


My two cents worth

Dave LASM
 
BIG undertaking underway! I have to admire your courage here.

My lumber experience began in 1978 north of Boise Idaho. I wondered why they did not make paper there, they informed me huge amounts of water were required, not always an abundant resource. Everything was made into lumber. There was no market for edgings.

I sold tree length Aspen (usually less than 70' long) to Boise Cascade in International Falls Minnesota in 1983. They would grab the entire 45,000 pound payload in one bite with a machine similar to your model, maybe the next size up.

For paper production, the bark always comes off first. Maybe you already knew this.

I would be surprised if all the material meeting sawlog specifications was not made into lumber, logically the lower quality material would, if possible, be made into paper/cardboard.

These details do not matter unless you are going for 100 percent prototype.


My two cents worth

Dave LASM
Dave thanks for reading and commenting. I know just enough about paper mills to be dangerous to my modeling of one. There will be a wood handling complex. The unloading of pulp logs, a storage yard, a possible log conveyor to the debarker and movement to the chipper. I have mentioned it too much as it’s still being sorted out. Even with a large linear space I could use more depth. When has a model railroader ever been happy with the space they have. From the digester to shipping I am using up 144” of space. There is roughly 8’ to the left/west of the digesters to 12’ right/east of the shipping department, but unfortunately some of it is off limits.

If you have pictures of logs being unloaded, please post them.
 


As I mentioned I have final approval of the complex. There have been many versions, renderings, drawings and sketches. Some I have shown many that I have not. What started as just a 1” to 2” deep facade has transformed to a bit more. The depth has changed to a maximum of 6” with 8” being optimal.

So it’s ambitious but doable at a slow and steady pace. There is no set time frame. I have cut the bases for the complex that now stretches to 144” of the 32’ space and that is without the Wood Handling complex. That complex has not been finalized in either location or size. But I’m moving on.

I am looking for a 3d printer to create the Kamyr digester vessel
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It is approximately 14” high and 2” od. I will provide the files in STL, OBL, 3MF or STEP

the version
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I’m excited. It’s different than the flat facade versions of my own and a few others I’ve designed. This gives me room for the pipes and storage tanks as part of the complex and not add ons later. What is missing are the 2 large pulp storage tanks. They are designed to fit a 6”x6” space that would go between tall yellow building and the lower aluminum color one.

This paper mill represents what I think a 1965 era Pacific Northwest paper mill might look like. The back story is the mill was built in 1906, and upgraded just prior to WW1 and successfully operated and expanded during the 1920’s. It hung on barely through the Great Depression emerging again successfully around 1940. Did its part in the National war effort during WW2. In the 1950’s expanded and in the late 50’s started modernizing to the continuous pulp method using the Kamyr system. The wood structures of the paper mill have over the years been replaced. Some buildings like the blue Paper Machine Building were recladded with new windows replacing the old. Others like the small power annex in the DRP complex are still brick.

This is a challenge I’m up for and it’s not a commission job. This will be a gift to a good friend. It won’t be done quickly, certainly not fast but the progression will be steady. I’m treating it as my own and as such it may change as I go along. It will be built in segments and they are:

1. 6” deep and 19” wide the DRP complex. Consisting of the digester, implied Recovery boiler and power buildings

2. A very Possible 6x6 pulp storage tank site

3. 4 to 6” deep and 26” wide the Pulp Prep complex. Consisting of chip storage and pulp screening, the bleach/chemical building and the Stock prep building

4. 4 to 6” deep and 38” long is the Paper Machine Building or PMB
3” deep and 8” long is the Wrap building that will be built as part of the PMB

5. The Warehouse/Shipping is 10” deep and 30”,long

So 5 segments

Stick around, ask questions, offer encouragement and suggestions. I’ll be at the bench
 
We are peddling in a different direction. My friend after seeing the skeleton of the digester tower last week asked for me to bring it over. I took it over and Wednesday afternoon it overwelmed the mock ups. Yesterday we talked and he said let’s go back to the original ideas. So, today I’m pulling out the measurements for the walls for the 10” deep by 30” long shipping department.

Shipping is basically a box to hide a pillar that allows for the 30” covered rail dock that will hold 3 boxcars 50’ long and 3 truck docks. I’ll get the backer walls of Sintra cut out and dry fitted before I laminate the styrene metal siding to the Sintra skeleton. I use Sintra because for most structures unless they are very long it does not need additional bracing and the structure is still light. For years I used 3/8” plywood for backing but it was heavy and still needed some bracing to stop the flex. Plus I get most of my Sintra from the sign shop as left overs from projects or scraps. Here is the profile of the 10” east shipping wall. There will be 3 truck dock doors
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Then I played on the IPadPro making adjustments to the look
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the numbers on the measurements are off so ignore most of them. But the look is good
 
While much of the mill is reverting back to the original design (false front facade structures) the chemical side or the working side before the paper machine building has changed. The owner wanted more exposed tanks and pipes
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So o
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There’s a few options for the friend’s consideration. I’m used to Midwest but mainly Wisconsin paper mills that are hugely tall buildings with clean modern lines. 1965 was much grittier. But it’s all fictional and if it can fit it in the space I’m game to try it. In both of the above there wupill be building fronts, not pictures, attached to the backdrops. Believe it or not, while both of the above look complicated, they are not. Build in segments and then put together.

The friend will get his open grittier look
 
I like the building in the first photo but the tanks and piping in the second just scream gritty industrial!
And yes newer modern mills are much more “streamlined” looking.
 
I like the building in the first photo but the tanks and piping in the second just scream gritty industrial!
And yes newer modern mills are much more “streamlined” looking.
I’ve gotten so immune to the tweaks and changes I went back to the original graph paper drawings, increased the heights and now we’ll see what happens. So far I’ve got 140” of paper mill to build anywhere from 1.5” deep to 10”. I think once I give him the base for these structures he’ll settle down. He keeps changing track and then wants to tweak the building.

I know the digesters I built the framing skeleton for will appear in another paper mill.

Rico, which one?
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I like the tanks, piping, and vents in the first of the two photos.
If I were to choose between the two buildings I’d take the second one, but something doesn’t seem quite right with either. Maybe it’s the angles of the walls?
I know it’s ai and there’ll be a lot of tweaking, you have a lot of work ahead!
To make mine look larger I'm thinking of buildings on the backdrop.
 
Good morning from snow globe central. It’s a modelers dream day. It’s cold, it’s snowing and things are getting cancelled so Ai have to stay in today!

I needed room so I took over the top surface of the old gaming storage cabinet down in my cave
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A nice open surface much larger than my well served train
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room bench
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The east shipping department wall, only 10” it needs to hold the ground level train entrance, 3 truck dock doors and a personnel door
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Lots of tweaks
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The paper machine facade is the biggest face of the paper mill
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Added 2” to the “wet end” of the PMB. This is where the pulp enters the paper machine and starts its journey
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The whole 38” with the 8”:wide final inspect/wrap building added on. The PMB will only be 1.5” deep, the InspectWrap will be 3” and 12” high instead of the 11.25” here.
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Wrap/inspect will be the full height of a styrene sheet but still 8” wide. The PMB and Wrap buildings total 46”. I added some brick and a 12’x10’ overhead door to decide on placement
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The yellow 2 rows will stretch across the face of the Paper Machine Building. Those are there to size the windows before I start building them. Same with the 2nd overhead door and the red brick. The brick is exposed as part of the 6’ high foundation. This temporary lay ins are 7’ tall as the siding to come will cover the the top layers exposing just the 6’ brick.

Looks like I will be making bigger windows for at least one of those rows. I’m a visual person and yes I follow the plans but it’s the eye that decides it’s right.

The pipes, lights, conduits and vents that will be added should take this bland front end to hopefully eye popping. I had the metal siding picked as the Evergreen Scale Model #4530. But the seams seem too wide.

There were plans drawn for a partial sawtooth roof but the depth of 1.5” would not have given the teeth of the roof the visual it needs

Today, is create the support for the actual framing of this unit. At 38” it flexes and needs to be strengthened. 3/8” plywood will be added to the back side. I also need to sand the surfaces down with 300 grit sandpaper to roughen it for lamination the styrene pieces to come

Enjoy the day
 

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I like the tanks, piping, and vents in the first of the two photos.
If I were to choose between the two buildings I’d take the second one, but something doesn’t seem quite right with either. Maybe it’s the angles of the walls?
I know it’s ai and there’ll be a lot of tweaking, you have a lot of work ahead!
To make mine look larger I'm thinking of buildings on the backdrop.
I sort of understand that something doesn’t seem right. I lived from 1976 until 2014 in Central Wisconsin and even the older mills along the Wisconsin River ((19 of them) from Rhinelander down to Nekoosa were different. Part of that is the Digesters were mostly inside tall metal clad buildings remodeled or added in the 70’s and 80’s. Even the Fox Valley mills from Green Bay down to Oshkosh were not the griitty type I’m trying to represent here.

It’s the main reason I tried working with the Ai very frustrating programs. I don’t remember seeing exposed digesters even along Hwy 2 in Northern Wisconsin and theUP. I was a road warrior and from Hwy 29 north to Lake Superior was my area. But I had no references to the PNW and in 1965 I was only 13. References were hard to find. So I found the Camas area paper mills in Washington. Asked Ai to help. Exposed storage tanks in the PNW are enclosed here in the Midwest.

I am using Ai for references and visuals. Those 2 pictures will give me a base to work from. I have moved back to make it visually distinctive from making it 100% accurate.

I have a good friend who still works for Valmet a supplier to the paper industry that says “ build what you want” nothings right or wrong in the industry
 




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