I know April Fools Day is coming soon, but,

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This is such a horrible idea, and it diminishes the efforts of modern fallen-flag modelers like myself. We spend significant portions of our hobby time conceptualizing the companies, re-inventing history, envisioning paint schemes, and putting the time, effort and money into painting what are ultimately unique models.

To have someone like Athearn come along and mass-produce this crap is an unwelcome intrusion on our territory. Stick to the prototypes, Athearn.
 
Almost as farfetched as this project of mine:
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Notice the number.
 
This is such a horrible idea, and it diminishes the efforts of modern fallen-flag modelers like myself. We spend significant portions of our hobby time conceptualizing the companies, re-inventing history, envisioning paint schemes, and putting the time, effort and money into painting what are ultimately unique models.

To have someone like Athearn come along and mass-produce this crap is an unwelcome intrusion on our territory. Stick to the prototypes, Athearn.

You're kidding, right? Tower 55 did the same thing and Athearn is just picking up where they left off when they bought T55. No offense intended but I don't think Athearn cares or should care what any individual or group of modelers is doing. They have no obligation to you or anyone else to produce or not to produce something. If it's a horrible idea then Athearn will pay the price by not selling any models. If it's a good idea, Athearn will sell a bunch of them and have the profit to produce more models for all of us. This is still a nominally free country and I would be loathe to tell any company what they can or can't produce as long as it was legal.
 
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Almost as farfetched as this project of mine:
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Notice the number.

NAH!! That's not farfetched--love the colour scheme too.:D:p

Of course I gotta play dumb and ask ---why is it farfetched?:) I'm still trying to figure out colour schemes for my Emerald, Leemer & Southern!!
 
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This is such a horrible idea, and it diminishes the efforts of modern fallen-flag modelers like myself. We spend significant portions of our hobby time conceptualizing the companies, re-inventing history, envisioning paint schemes, and putting the time, effort and money into painting what are ultimately unique models.

To have someone like Athearn come along and mass-produce this crap is an unwelcome intrusion on our territory. Stick to the prototypes, Athearn.

Did anyone of us have copyright to this idea? No? Then? I'll still do stuff like this even IF Athearn does this and it take off--why diminish this IN YOUR OWN MIND?:):)
 
You're kidding, right? Tower 55 did the same thing and Athearn is just picking up where they left off when they bought T55. No offense intended but I don't think Athearn cares or should care what any individual or group of modelers is doing. They have no obligation to you or anyone else to produce or not to produce something. If it's a horrible idea then Athearn will pay the price by not selling any models. If it's a good idea, Athearn will sell a bunch of them and have the profit to produce more models for all of us. This is still a nominally free country and I would be loathe to tell any company what they can or can't produce as long as it was legal.

Of course it's completely legal, but then again so were the executive bonuses at AIG. Care to defend that? Regarding the Athearn models, while Athearn has every right to produce them, I still believe it diminishes the uniqueness and charm of the modern-day fallen flag modelers who have had the courage to stray away from the pack and do something radically different. It's akin to two major corporations and their business models we have seen recently: Barnes & Noble, and Starbucks. Barnes & Noble basically took the idea of the local urban bookstore - many in neighborhoods that quite hadn't gentrified yet - and mass produced it by planting their mega-stores in the middle of SUV-packed parking lots in Suburbia USA. The original pioneers of the bookstore concept - a place where one was free to sit down in a comfy couch, browse through books, and enjoy some coffee and a muffin - were squashed in the process, even though having provided the inspiration to the mega corporation that would ultimately carbon copy their business model.

Starbucks has done a similar thing, albeit they were admittedly a pioneer themselves for the local coffee shop business model with their first few stores in Seattle. Mass production would ultimately take a concept celebrated for its uniqueness and quirkiness, and make it wholly boring and generic through rapid expansion. Starbucks recently shuttered over 700 stores worldwide, for what it's worth.

What does this have to do with Athearn's fantasy models, you may wonder? The answer isn't easy or even possible to achieve, since we hold different values; I can actually claim to have a vested interest in this as I am a modern fallen-flag modeler who has spent the majority of his time formulating a concept, an alternate history, building a website, decorating rolling stock and locomotives for a railroad that doesn't currently exist. While I don't hold copyright to the idea, if anyone else were to come along and do something similar, I would commend them for the effort and time they would have to invest to bring their concept to reality. But when a major MRR manufacturer comes along and, at the swipe of a pen, signals the factory in China to start mass-producing paint schemes for "fantasy" concepts that others have worked so hard to establish, I do believe that's a slap in the face. Especially when that manufacturer could be producing more prototype paint schemes that are sorely missing from the market and would no doubt be a guaranteed sales success.

Again, it's a value difference between us. Only difference here is that I actually have a vested interest in the issue. Many suburban soccer moms may have applauded the expansion of Barnes & Noble, but I'm sure the local bookstores did not. Just depends on which side of the fence you fall on the issue, who you are, and how you figure into the game.
 
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I guess what really bugs me about this is, if the drawings are accurate, then they got the Chessie unit wrong. Either the Logo is too low on the sides, or the vermillion stripe is not low enough. The cats ear should protrude into the vermillion, rest should remain yellow. After all, if you are going to do this, then do it right.
Secondly there is enough mis-marketing of units out there. I have seen on many occasion a neophyte thinking he has a prototypical piece, and show it off to more "seasoned" modelers. They may not correct him on the spot, or offer kind suggestions to direct him toward further research, but invariably there is a snicker or two under the breath directed his way. I've seen happen to a fellow in a club with a tri-color blue/black Alco PA decorated in B&O. (factory painted Athearn) For those who may not know, the B&O never owned a PA. The guy was truly proud of his engine and the details he had added, while the older guys giggled in the back about it. That shouldn't happen to anyone.
 
Mtrpls, I never would have given AIG a dime to begin with, so the bonuses would have been handled in a bankruptcy court, as they should have been. I'm always amused by people who decry the demise of small businesses. Barnes and Noble and Starbucks didn't become big because they held a gun to anyone's head. People liked what they had and did and spent their money there. In the case of Starbucks, they went too far and too fast and the market is now punishing them, as it should. I'm always on the side of a free market because, in the long history of the world, it has shown itself to be the best system in a galaxy of imperfect systems. Not faultless, but still the best and fairest over the long run.

Karl, model manufacturers have always made inaccurate models and inaccurate paint schemes. No matter how accurate you make a model, someone will always find something wrong and snicker at you behind your back, This hobby is full of people who love to criticize others while producing nothing useful of their own. At least Athearn labels these as "fantasy" locomotives so no one should go strolling into a club claiming they have an accurate model. As you say, at one time, Athearn produced paint schemes and road numbers with no regards to accuracy at all. As for the guy who had the B&O PA and was proud of his detailing, how is that different from painting and detailing exactly the same model today as a "fantasy" locomotive? The only difference is that we're know starting to accept "fantasy" models as being as legitimate as prototypically accurate models.
 
mtrpls I might say that as an artist, keeping in mind the rhetoric that was frequently bandied about at the time. I used to major in English Literature before I gave that idea the boot and boy did we get that drummed into us. The whole polemic about the work that gets put into doing the whole thing from scratch vs some faceless corporation doing the same sort of thing gets tiring after awhile. I end up as I mentioned above with another version of a search for the 'True', 'Unique' and 'Original' fallen flag locomotive as if somehow the whole effort YOU PUT INTO THIS IS DESTROYED by the existence of Athearns 'make belief' foobies. I say that that is equine plumage. That will happen if, and only if, you say so. Not at someone else's say so. And, as others are pointing out already, the job that Athearn has done may not be as good as your own efforts.:):)

Hence, all my quibbling----:):)
 




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