CMX Track Cleaning Car

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beiland

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I see where this subject of track cleaning has come again, but got sort of h-jacked. So I decided to bring up this particular one method as its seems to pretty well recommended by a number of members over on this other forum,...with its own subject thread,..
https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/cmx-track-cleaning-cars-12214946

In general after many discussions, it has come down to use of mineral spirits to clean the track, then wipe up that loosened material, then apply graphite for great conductivity. So a number of folks suggest the 'track cleaning train', a CMX cars for dispensing the MS in a rubbing manner, then follow that car with a Centerline car for wiping/drying duties, and perhaps a second centerline car.

Overall it seems to do a great job, but it can get rather expensive, considering the cost of both (or all 3) of those cleaning cars.

I'd like to hear of personal experiences on this forum with the CMX cars. We already have some interesting ones with the centerline cars HERE
 
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beiland

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Here are some very helpful hints on how to use those CMX cars,...from drip rates to several difference rubbing pad materials

https://tonystrains.com/news/cmx-o-clean-machine/

Take note that these cars are a combination of functions, they both dispense the cleaning fluid, & rub the track with their pads.

It seems most folks like to run 1 or even 2 solvent pick-up/drying cars to the rear of their fluid car.

Both of those type cars are quite expensive. I think I have an inexpensive alternate to both of them.
 

beiland

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from another forum..
At Boothbay Railway Village model railroad exhibit, we have been using two Centerline cleaners, one wet with 90% rubbing alchol and the other dry. Using a dry pickup is important with liquid cleaners because if you do not pick up the solvent, the residue will remove the gunk from the cars wheels, deposit it back on the tracks and spread it everywhere.

When the museum is open, we are running trains 6 or 7 hours a day, 7 days a week.
 

beiland

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I have a pretty big 'outdoor helix' with double tracks, ...and a fairly long tunnel up under my coal mine and over the under some stacked containers in the west coast container yard up there. So a track cleaning train is in order,....one fluid leader and 1 or 2 wipers following it.

My plastic tube test seems to be going good,..no deterioration. But I've pretty much decided on going with a metal fluid container,...either steel tube or steel pipe. I've found some alum tube that might work as well, but it lacks the weight of the steel.
 

beiland

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Looking to buy 1 or 2 old style Roco pad type cleaning cars. Don't even need the shells, ....just the frames and pads for some experimentation.

The bottoms would look like this,..
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Espeefan

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Over the years my club has used all of them, the CMX, The MNP car with the motor driven rotating pads, the old style cars with Masonite cleaning pads, the Aztec cleaning cars with all roller variants, cloth, Handi Wipes, cratex rollers, etc, and of course the centerline cars. We run a track cleaning train composed of several types working in series. We've found that all do some things well, and none do all things well. :) There are several spots on the layout where what works the best is good old fashioned elbow grease and cleaning pads. The one thing we've noticed is banning plastic wheels and running trains often goes a long way to keeping the track clean.
 

beiland

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So here are a few of my initial thoughts on an alternative CMX car.

The choice could be for a number of 'pipes' (not tubes) with 1" inside diameter. Here I show plain steel pipe that can be bought in short lengths, and cut by your local Lowes store.
There is also a plastic pipe that I have experimented with, and appears to be fine in containing mineral spirits

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I choose 1" diameter because it can be capped off at the end by a flush 'internal plug' of some 1" dia solid rod material of metal. plastic, or even clear acrylic (you would be able to see your fluid level).

The steel pipe obviously has the greatest weight, and certainly MS is not going to attack it.


That 1" dia pipe also fits very nicely into this frame of this Roco car.
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Since I am interested in making the cars overall length just a bit bigger than the Roco car, its frame could be be cut into 3 sections and spread down the length of the pipe, while retaining its proper truck alignment. I'm thinking a 7" length of pipe (1" less than the athearn tank car), with a truck spacing of 6 1/4".
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beiland

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When I first started thinking of this alternative fluid dispensing car, I naturally gravitated to the longer car idea,..more fluid storage capacity. But the it was suggested that I look at the footprint of the pad on the rails while the cleaning car was in the curves.

Many of those existing cars had pads that work fine on straight tracks, but some questions arise with the contact (rubbing capability) on the outer rail of those curves.

I chose to also consider 18" & 22" curves since many modelers still need to to utilize these,...
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Those skid pads could be made a little wider, and/or located toward a favored end rather than just in the center of the car,..
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Brian
 

beiland

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Steel Pipe Version first

First I had to clean of all those very sticky info tags and price tags, and check for smoothness,..
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Then I wanted to clean up those ends that were left a little rough/uneven by the pipe cutter at Loews. So my trusty repaired belt sander to the rescue,.. (idea arose,...perhaps I could just glue flat ends on the pipe rather than finding a well fitting solid tube piece to insert in the end?) ... (and perhaps those ends might be glued on in such a manner as to be chiseled off if ever found necessary)

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Test fitting,..
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Now I decided I was going to prime paint them so I could more readily see markings I might be making on them,...light coloring of white,..
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test fitting,..
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that pencil line along there tells me where to line up the 3 pieces I will be cutting the original frame into,..
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Some notable items:
1) I have cut the original coupler pockets off of the trucks as I intend to mount body mounted coupler pockets.
2) I have retained the original metal wheels with their larger flanges (might be an asset with a track scrubbing car)
3) The spring pressures could be increased as the overall cars weight would handle it.
4) The original track scrubbing pad had a small recess in it that could act as a secondary fluid recess that feeds thru a small hole at its center to keep the pad wet,..
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Pretty reasonable investment so far. Just need to add a needle valve and fluid fill valve.
 

beiland

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Today I cut off a small piece of 0.08" thick clear acrylic sheet plastic,....and immersed in mineral spirits. I want to see if the plastic is affected by the spirits. If not, I can readily see gluing ends on my metal tank of my CMX car.

It also occurred to me that I could cut a piece of that plastic bottle the the mineral spirits is sold in, and glue that to the tank ends ??,...it has an opacity but still lets one know the amount of liquid within.
 

beiland

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That piece of clear acrylic plastic seems to be unaffected by the mineral spirits,...so I guess the next step is to determine a simple way to glue it onto the metal tube,...what adhesive to use??

Two things I like about this idea:
a) transparency allows you to see how much MS you have loaded,
b) ultimately you could pry/split one of the ends off if you needed to in the future?
 

AusPete

Member
I'm with wvg_ca. I have a CMX car that I used to use with Isopropyl Alcohol - cleaned well and then the track oxidised again with 24 hours
Now I only use No-OX and have been using it for the last two years. Results are amazing. It has reduced the number of times I need to clean track and wheels - now it usually every three months and that is on a layout built in a garage. No expensive track cleaning cars required. Still on the first can I purchased and I calculate that should last at least another 3 years minimum. Cannot recommend it highly enough.
 

beiland

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my Current Fleet of Track Cleaning Cars

This is my current fleet of track cleaning cars.
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My alternative CMX car project is temporarily on hold while I work on installing my DCC power system on the layout. I've chosen to build the first version with a plastic fluid container body rather then the metal one,..just a little easier to work with the plastic. I made my own needle valve at this time, now just need to add a fill opening, and the end caps,....and the trucks and couplers.
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beiland

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I use mineral spirits in the CMX type car, then dry it up with those roller cars, then a light touch of graphite (pencil lead) along the way. One of those cars is equipped with with a VERY FINE (1200) grit sand paper pad for really tough spots.
 




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